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Old 21-10.-2006, 07:09 AM   #46
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Stick to the topic....YOU said someone else powerful enough needed to enforce the disarmament.....I said NOBODY else is powerful enough to ensure that it happens.

Nothing more...nothing less. Everytime I show one of you guys that the BS that you spout is just that...BS....you simply ramble off onto another topic.


Disarmament isn't the issue, Bill.
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Old 21-10.-2006, 07:24 AM   #47
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America has been hated since long before George Bush.

What's your next rant?

Difference being, it used to be hated by the enemy (probably a good thing). Now, it's being seriously disliked by the populace in countries of many allies (probably not a good thing).
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Old 21-10.-2006, 07:44 AM   #48
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America has been hated since long before George Bush.



What do you base this statement on?
I have no statistical data but I would summise that Hatred of American forien policy and the name George Bush would be closly linked (at least in the western world).

Perhaps you could ask yourself why a swelling mass of the worlds population think poorly of you instead of hiding your head in the sand crying "Its all BS, your all just US Haters"
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Old 21-10.-2006, 08:33 AM   #49
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I'm not scaremongering, I'm making a prediction - that China will be the major superpower in the next decade.
It's fine for Bush to talk about the U.S. sending men to Mars and building bases on the moon but the reality is the U.S. is bogged down in Iraq, trying to bring democracy to a country that never had any experience of democracy.
While Bush has been putting so much effort into Iraq and his war on terror, China has been steadily developing its economy, educating its population and developing its military/space program. China is the world's fastest growing economy and is growing at a faster rate than the USSR under Stalin.
The U.S. can't possibly compete when so much of its budget is being directed towards keeping peace in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush may talk big but the reality is he led his country towards decline and it will take a miracle to undo the political/economic damage Bush has already done.


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Brilliant bit of scare mongering again by the neocons and fed to the US press... Great as a justification for more military funding.

The fact of the matter is, US is way way ahead in the space arena. Just look at the background of shuttle pilots and the purpose of the various shuttle and rocket missions, NASA is also very much integrated with the US military, CIA and NSA activites.

I further support limerickman's earlier comments and would further add that N Korea has never invaded another country (Korean war is a legitimate civil war just like the American civil war and China's civil wars in the last 200 years). Whereas the US and Japan had a well documented history of military interventions overseas in modern times. It's no surprise that soverign countries around the world either want to align with the US or have the deterence capabilities. Pure logical deduction.

As all facts indicate, Bush administration's international policies (or the lack of which) over the last few years has screwed US's prestige internationally and turned the populace in many friendly countries into sceptic or resenter. So try not to think that there is a conspiracy of American haters out there but rather ask what a citizen can do with the voting paper.
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It's fine for Bush to talk about the U.S. sending men to Mars and building bases on the moon but the reality is the U.S. is bogged down in Iraq, trying to bring democracy to a country that never had any experience of democracy.


Since 1945, the wider Middle East and Iran (and Iraq) in particular have had regimes "supported" by expedient foreign policies of Britain and the USA.
Saddam for example was "supported" by the USA and Britain.
Saddam was viewed as being democratic by the USA and Britain from 1979-1991.

Use of the word democratic is problematic.


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While Bush has been putting so much effort into Iraq and his war on terror, China has been steadily developing its economy, educating its population and developing its military/space program. China is the world's fastest growing economy and is growing at a faster rate than the USSR under Stalin.
The U.S. can't possibly compete when so much of its budget is being directed towards keeping peace in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush may talk big but the reality is he led his country towards decline and it will take a miracle to undo the political/economic damage Bush has already done.


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Disarmament isn't the issue, Bill.
Don't start your crap Lim....it was the issue we were discussing.....notice if you will that the OP didn't respond to my allegation.
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What do you base this statement on?
I have no statistical data but I would summise that Hatred of American forien policy and the name George Bush would be closly linked (at least in the western world).

Perhaps you could ask yourself why a swelling mass of the worlds population think poorly of you instead of hiding your head in the sand crying "Its all BS, your all just US Haters"

Everyone hates the boss.
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Everyone hates the boss.

And that statement retorts my post....how?
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No one respects the wannabe.
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China has resolved the problem without any input from the US.
The Chinese government ,in a fait accompli told Condi when she arrived in Beijing for talks.
Condi will return to deliver lessons in diplomacy to the Bush regime as soon as she has wiped the egg from her face.
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Don't start your crap Lim....it was the issue we were discussing.....notice if you will that the OP didn't respond to my allegation.


Disarmament isn't the issue, Bill.
You're the one talking crap.

Fact is your country, Britain, France, India, Pakistan, Israel, continue to proliferate - despite your country (and others) undertaking to disarm at the cessation of the coldwar.

Therefore the issue with NK isn't disarmament.

If other countries continue to proliferate - NK is entitled to proliferate.

(for the record the only countries who did disarm were South Africa and Russia : personally I oppose all proliferation including NK's but if other countries are proliferating then it's hard to make the case that NK shouldn't proliferate).
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China has resolved the problem without any input from the US.
The Chinese government ,in a fait accompli told Condi when she arrived in Beijing for talks.
Condi will return to deliver lessons in diplomacy to the Bush regime as soon as she has wiped the egg from her face.


Great....EXACTLY the reason Bush wouldn't negotiate with NK without the neighboring countries.

Thank you for showing the importance of their input.
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No one respects the wannabe.

Yes.....Europeans would know this better than anyone.
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Great....EXACTLY the reason Bush wouldn't negotiate with NK without the neighboring countries.

No, it's only because the Bush admin has started to run around hitting the panic button and making a fool of themselves that NK has decided to take a breather. The pause button didn't come from China, it came out of NK. China was just the messenger.

Bottomline is, as many foreign policy experts both in the US and outside of US have stated in public repeatedly, the Bush admin does not have a coherent foreign policy and has repeatedly had eggs on their face. NK is shrewed enough give the US run around because of this. An only people like you are still feeling proud of your president and his impotent admin.

If the Bush admin doesn't smarten up and continue on its way, next time the screw would be tighter again and there'll be more eggs on Bush and Condi's faces.
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The US is not flaunting anything. And they are not going at this alone.

This situation is not a just a US problem.....Japan and company are just as concerned. China , who is supposedly their big brother is concerned. Even the UN seems to be very concerned. The attempt to limit the number of nuclear countries from growing is a world wide concern among nations.
N Korea has shown it is not willing to work with other nations. The economic strife that is facing N Korea is caused by the leadership there, not the sanctions imposed upon it. If N Korean leadership showed stability, then the sanctions imposed upon it would be pretty meaningless, if there at all. China has the capacity to step in and help N Korea.

The "blame the USA" stuff gets old after awhile.
It is our fault. We are the stupid country that helped them advance their nuke program by 20 years....Doh!
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