Sacked For Being A Christian

Carrera

Yes and no. To my mind she was being forced into a corner to deny what she believed. She wasn't preaching at clients or wearing a "Jesus Saves" badge or making a fool of the company she represented.
This is a simple woman who works hard, pays her taxes and tends to wear this cross outside of work too.
I myself don't share this lady's view in the resurrection and that J.C. was the son of God e.t.c. e.t.c.. However, she does believe that and B.A. is asking her to be ashamed of that particular belief. Why? Because B.A. have been planning extended trips to the Gulf States that's why and I'll bet they simply don't want any hassle.
You know, I'm disappointed by the attitude on this website as a whole but, there you are, it's a free world and we all differ. However, what I can't help but see is a lot of people making excuses and backing out of taking a stand.
Why should immigrants to this country have more rights than everyone else? Why should she be a third rate worker, undervalued and walked all over?
I still say I admire her. I take my hat off to her. I wish I had her guts as this can't be easy for anyone.
P.S. She has asked people not to boycott B.A. as she doesn't want this to affect her colleagues.

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"Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

davidmc

Exactly. Carrera just 'cut the floor out from under himself' inre: the discussion
Yes. Let them take their investments elsewhere. It is only free publicity for their flagging attendance


I think I like your religion

Seems like 'hysteria'
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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

limerickman

You're the one not paying attention.

You claimed in the first post to this thread by saying "The fact is Nadia Eweida has been discriminated against on account of her Christian beliefs while British Airways personnel......................"

As I've had to tell you several times, BA did not discriminate against this lady based on her religious beliefs.
BA suspended her for misconduct because she would not comply with H&S rules covering her employment.
The Tribunal held that BA did not discriminate against the lady on the grounds of religious discrimination as well. The lady lost her case.

BA's offer to the lady to allow her to wear a cross on her lapel is a good compromise.
It complies with H&S (presumably) and it allows the lady to wear her cross in public.

You really should think before replying.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

Believe me, if I joined you'd hear it openly. Remember the BNP claimed the hollocaust was exaggerated for propaganda. I don't share that view.

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"Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

limerickman

Agreed : it doesn't suprise me that he can't see where he's contradicted himself.
He's tying himself in to knots.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

You might not share that particular view - but you do share a lot of their other views.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

davidmc

He makes it look so effortless I am against pol. correctness run amok but this is beyond the pale. Guess people are using it to vent their frustrations inre: rising immigration/tensions

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Carrera

Lim, you can choose to lecture all you wish. The reality is B.A.'s tribunal isn't an automatic step to a position of strength because public opinion over here is very strong against this company.
Not just public opinion, for that matter, but a wider concern within the U.N.
The offer over lapel badges was made after the M.P.'s began the boycott of the airline and after businessmen started to sell off shares.
The offer has been rejected at this stage. There is no way she's going to back down with so much public support and the support of her lawyer. She's prepared to lose her job if need be.
Time will tell who wins this conflict, B.A. or the boycotters.

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"Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

limerickman

Our friend has a problem with immigrants.
It usually starts with "I'm not against immigrants per se (so long as they don't come to MY country)........".

British people tend to be extremely tolerant and welcome diversity.
Don't assume that Carerra's views reflect the norm.......they don't.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

I'm against multiculturalism and mass immigration as I said before. The current case offers more evidence that immigration is robbing us of basic freedoms.
2 decades ago it would be quite normal for a woman to wear a cross while working at an airport and nobody would have thought anything of it. Likewise, the idea of our carrying I.D. cards as in the former USSR would have been unthinkable.
Today, nobody can deny all that has changed. Multiculturalism is leading towards an illiberal, censorship society. Top Government think-tanks have even admitted it and that's the Labour Party talking.
If you oppose this kind of mass immigration, it doesn't mean you're a racist. Also, I think you will find my view becoming more common in France and Holland but this is a far cry from the BNP.

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"Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

limerickman

I'm not lecturing you - I am giving the facts.
You claimed that the lady was sacked by BA - she wasn't.
You claimed that the lady was discriminated BA - she wasn't.
You failed to mention that her case went before an independent tribunal -who found in BA's favour.
You also failed to mention that the lady was paid while on suspension.

If telling the facts is a lecture.........then that's your problem.





.........err, the Tribunal is independent.

The Tribunal isn't BA's tribunal. The Tribunal is made up of independent people who assess the case, and who assess the entire process of how the employee was suspended and the grounds for suspension, in line with what is known as "natural justice".
The Tribunal found that the lady's claim of discrimination was unfounded and the Tribunal found against her.
Case closed.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

That's because H&S regulations were not legislated for to the same extent, two decades agao.

Companies can be fined heavily for even the most minor H&S breach, these days.
Indeed a company could be sued by an employee if the company did not enforce it's own doctrine over issues like dress code.
Therefore BA (and other employers) must enforce strictly all codes concerning
H&S.

Given this lady's track record, she would be the very employee who'd try to sue her employer if that employer didn't prevent her from wearing jewellery on her exposed neck.
Starting to get the picture now, are we??

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

Well, try this from Andrew Green's Think Tank:
"England is now nearly twice as crowded as Germany, four times France and twelve times the US.
The pressure on our borders continues. Demand for visas has risen by 33% in 5 years and is now 2.5 million per year.
The economic benefit from this inflow is very limited. Government arguments are fallacious. Immigration is not essential to our economic growth. It adds to economic growth but also adds nearly proportionately to our population so that the benefit to the host community is small. (A result found also in the US, Canada and Holland). In the UK it amounts to about £25 per head per year.
Immigrants will have little impact on our ability to pay pensions in future. The Turner Commission dismissed this argument for the simple reason that immigrants too will age and require pensions. Their financial input to the Exchequer is, despite government claims, approximately neutral. Immigration is welcome to many employers because it holds down pay levels, especially for the unskilled, and contributes to lower interest rates. It can also be a source of cheap skilled labour with no training costs. But it is the tax payer who picks up all the costs of the extra infrastructure required.
To the extent that immigration holds down wages it makes it more difficult for the government to achieve their stated aim of moving from welfare to work the 1.5 million unemployed and the 2.7 million on Incapacity Benefit. There are now one million young people in Britain who are neither in work nor in education.
Are immigrants doing jobs the British will no longer do? No. In large parts of Britain where there are few, if any, immigrants British people are doing all these jobs. The fundamental problem is the benefits trap. Wages are held down to a level where for some there is little benefit in working rather than collecting benefits. Wages should be allowed to rise to make lower paid jobs worthwhile and to encourage productivity. Increasing productivity is the only way that a nation can become richer.
Where is this leading?
There is growing resentment among the native population of whom 70 – 80% wish to see a tougher immigration policy. They feel that their concerns are being ignored, or dismissed; only 10% feel that the government is listening to public opinion on immigration. The ethnic population is also concerned about the direction of events. A majority of them (55%) also wish to see tighter immigration control. A majority of the population (69%) feel that Britain is losing its own culture.
The natural tendency of some immigrants to join their own communities, and to choose spouses from their countries of origins, is leading to the formation of parallel communities with little contact, or identification, with mainstream British culture. Indeed, in some cases the younger generation is growing up hostile to British culture.
The impact is very substantial. Over the next twenty years, one in three new households will be down to immigration. Since brownfield sites provide two thirds of new homes, net immigration is the main reason for greenfield development. The extra population also adds to the pressure on transport and water supplies, both of which are already facing serious difficulties."

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"Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

limerickman

Your views don't hold wide spread support in Britain or anywhere else.

You have a problem with immigrants and that's your own issue.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.