Hilary Clinton

wolfix

What I challenged you on was not your choice of canidate, but the attempt to say the "Republicans only" paint him as a liberal.. Even the liberals do... To make a point saying Feingold is not liberal is wrong. Prove me wrong....... No where do I ever make the accusation that liberalism is evil......I do not agree with liberal politics, but I do not demonize them.


The ADA is a barometer of liberalism...... It takes the voting record of an individual and compares it to liberal issues. Feingold scored high So if his voting record supports what the liberals want, I would say that makes him real liberal..... That is the true and only definition of a liberal in politics....

So you need to explain to me why Feingold is not considered a extreme liberal, instead of attempting to tell me what I believe and what I don't...

But you need to point out to us "Stupid" Iowans as to why Feingold is not a liberals liberal...

No one pointed out any evil in any of these people...... I do not look at a individuals political opinion or electability in terms of good vs evil... The point of the post is explaining why Feingold has no chance of being elected. But I did as a Catholic, challenge the voting record of Feingold

Gay baiting ???? Not at all. But when same sex marriages are part of your agenda as they are Feingold's you must also deal with the individuals who do not agree with you in your own party. In this thread we are discussing an individuals ability to get votes, not if you agree with him or not....


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You posted........
" i do not agree with your attempt to lump progressive liberal democrats (they that share a common thread with the politics of bob lafollette) with the boogey-man liberal cooked up by the limbaughs of talk radio." End post .....
You need to explain to me what you mean by your statement. I am familiar with Bob Lafollette. I did a paper on him in college. And I am from a town the UAW built.... Union politics are very important to me....

The reason Republicans do not like him is because
1....... He believes in abortion.
2....... He is for same sex marriage
3........Voting for increase of immigration visa's.
4....... Federally funded universal health care......
These are the bases for liberalism along wit the war effort.

That is why the Republicans are not fond of him....... And these issues were around before the war in Iraq was an issue.... And the Republicans would prefer to run against an anti war individual then a a individual who voted for the war........

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Bro Deal

Whoa, what a nutter. You should attempt to view other people's political views with a little more objectivity and pragmatism rather than through the lense of your own religious extremism. People can in fact have different political views without being heretics, you know.

Feingold has a national reputation for integrity that very few Congressmen and Senators have. His rep exists apart from Bush and was established before Dubya came into office. Bush is hardly involved with the issues that Feingold is nationally known for; Bush has been too wrapped up in the neocon's war to do anything with domestic politics.

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wolfix

No religious extremism here.....

I never realized that following the beliefs of the Catholic Church as being extemist.

Where does Bush come into this????? Bush's name is not even being mentioned here......

Bro Deal...... You are a troll. You leave a sour attitude in every post you make....... And to make the statement that Bush is not involved in domestic issues is a stupid and uniformed statement.

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Bro Deal

Catholic...catholic...catholic..unprinicipled...catholic...catholic... catholic...unprincipled. Sound familiar? Maybe you could boil your post down a little, turn it into a mantra, and use it while you flaggellate yourself.


From above, "But , I believe what you see Feingold as is a man who opposes Bush. And that is what your news organizations report, but upon closer examination for what issues has put Feingold in office you would not agree that he is principled......." Who wrote that?

Not only did you write it, but it is flat out wrong. Feingold's reputation of a man of principle has little to do with Bush. He was pushing for campaign finance reform long before Dubya ever got into office. On top of that he has personally adhered to spending limits not only while campaigning but while running his own federally funded office. You would be hard pressed to find any other senator or congressman who has walked the walk like Feingold.

Saying that he is unprincipled because he does not follow your religious views shows that you are incapable of recognizing merit if someone does not match your views on rather unimportant hot button issues. I don't support a lot of Feingold's views, but at least I can give him credit for fighting the good fight for what he believes in. Anyone who can stand up and be the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act has got some stones and ought to be lauded.


What great feat of conservative domestic politics has Bush accomplished? Immigration reform? Nope. Balanced the budget? Ha ha, yeah right. Shrinking the government? That's a bigger laugh than the last one. How about protection of constitutional rights from the damned gubment? Whoops, failure again. Preventing taxpayers from paying for more health care. Damn, another debacle. Aside from growing the military-industrial complex at break neck speed, which seems to be a cornerstone of Repub politics, I am really struggling to come up with anything Bush has done domesticly. Abdication of the executive branch's regulation responsibilities, leading to massive violations that benefit big business. Does that one count? I guess it does if you were savvy enough to buy a metric buttload of HAL when Cheney became VP.

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slovakguy

...then you are willing to withdraw your support of & to condemn the actions of the bush administration in iraq? i realise that your devotion to the holy catholic church requires you to follow the pronouncements of the holy father and that you would not disagree with benedict's and john paul's position that the invasion of iraq was unjustified, right?...

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Bro Deal

Sorry, that only counts for hatred of the damned libs, gays, advocates of universal healthcare, war protesters, and the ACLU. Killing innocent brown non-Christians is okay no matter what church leaders say.

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Carrera

There's a showdown over here between the Catholic Church and the Government over the issue of fostering to gay and lesbian couples, which the Catholic and Anglican Churches oppose.
The Catholic Church has stated it will close down its fostering homes if it's forced to comply with the new equality laws.
Again, it seems like another case of an out-of-touch Government throwing its weight around in the name of human rights.
Surely common sense dictates the Church is supposed to stand for the family order which is based around masculine and feminine role-models for children. It doesn't mean the Church is in favour of discrimination.
At any rate, this seems like a big issue and it's suspected Ruth Kelly may have to choose between her party or the Opus Dei.

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Bro Deal

Bump.

Interesting to look back on how people thought the election would play out.

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Bro Deal

Is there any way a guy who looks like this can lose Texas?

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TheDarkLord

No kidding. For one, Hillary has not driven Obama "back into the frat house"...

Bro Deal

This pic makes me wonder what a youngish, fit Obama will look like standing next to an old, dour McCain.

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Billsworld

The U.S. is far too racist to ever elect a black man . I think its a set up . Spend the country into bankrupcy and leave the brutha holding the bag...

limerickman

Can you tell me what Obama's policies are?

I know what policies a politician has, has little to do with their time in office.
Bush after all swore blind in the 2000 election that he was going to advocate "compassionate conservatism" if he got in to office.

Do you know what Obama's policies are??

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morelike hypocrisy.

TheDarkLord

I too am interested in this - news articles report on Obama's mantra on "change", but does anyone know what he wants to change, and how he wants to do it? I haven't followed the news closely enough to find this out...