Hilary Clinton

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

Whoa, what a nutter. You should attempt to view other people's political views with a little more objectivity and pragmatism rather than through the lense of your own religious extremism. People can in fact have different political views without being heretics, you know.

Feingold has a national reputation for integrity that very few Congressmen and Senators have. His rep exists apart from Bush and was established before Dubya came into office. Bush is hardly involved with the issues that Feingold is nationally known for; Bush has been too wrapped up in the neocon's war to do anything with domestic politics.

Originally Posted by Billsworld

Ya, Top tax rate from 35% to 39.5

Originally Posted by Ike90

Obviously, most posters here are too young to remember the last time we elected a "Washington outsider" Democrat who ran on a platform of change.

Originally Posted by ndbiker

Ah the good Ole days...stagflation, 12-18% mortgage rates, 8%+ unemployment...

Originally Posted by Wurm

Pretty much where we're at right now, or will be in a few months, eh? Or you could listen to Man-Ape's claims that there is no recession. Same lie his old man peddled in 1991, but the reality will be much worse this time.

Originally Posted by stevebaby

That's the top tax rate, Bill.
Won't affect y'all.

Originally Posted by stevebaby

That's the top tax rate, Bill.
Won't affect y'all.

Originally Posted by stilesiii

Why am I, or should I be responsible for anyone elses medical expenses?

Originally Posted by stilesiii

If the government is really trying to encourage health care, why has it not removed all taxation on any and all medical transactions?

Originally Posted by stilesiii

If I choose to have only 2 children (they are what I can responsibly afford), why then should I be forced to raise/support someone else's children?

Originally Posted by stilesiii

If I purchase a house I can afford to live in and pay for, why am I forced to pay off someone's mortgage when they did not make a responsible decision in home choice/financing? Same for banking institution.

Originally Posted by stilesiii

Why is it that those of us who make responsible decisions are forced by our government to pay for the decisions of our irresponsible neighbors?

Originally Posted by stilesiii

Why is it that my neighbor can steal my car, then when he is caught by the authorites, I must pay for his defense? Then pay to house and feed him.

Originally Posted by stilesiii

Just think if you could donate the fortune of someone else and take credit for the gift. You would be a congressman or senator.

None of these scoundrels are for the people paying the bills. They will continue to write checks our asses can no longer cash, all to the demise of a once great nation.

Originally Posted by Wurm

What happens when YOU are seriously ill or hurt and can't work anymore, and perhaps have no family or others to help you, or those around you won't or can't help financially? When your insurance won't pay for treatments or you can no longer pay the premiums because you can't work? Once you've spent through your assets and lost your house, savings, IRA, etc., where do you go then?

Into the graveyard. People die. That is how life works, you are born, than at some time you die. Sometimes tragically. Sometimes through no fault of your own. Sometimes through your own fault. Uncle Sam cannot prevent that.

Do we all want to live as long as possible, yes. But at what cost? What recources? Do you think life and death will be any less arbitrary when government is dolling out health care. What happens when the nation goes bankrupt paying for these expenses. Then who will care for you?

It's all OK to be selfish/greedy and bitch about paying through taxes "anyone elses medical expenses" until it's YOUR ass in the sling. I guarantee should YOU or YOUR loved ones find yourselves in this situation, you'll be gladly filling out the Medicaid forms.

Its not selfish to burden others with your problems? Is it not self interest that motivates the person in the sling? Should it not be my decision to help who I choose, does the person I choose to help owe me anything for the help I provided?


Because like any other transaction, it's seen as a business profit and therefore should be taxed. Ask the HMO's and Big Pharma.

There is no such thing as business taxes. Corporations are in business to create profit, tax liabilies are passed on to the consumer. An increase in taxes on a corporation only increases the price of the service or product provided by it.

What difference is in Big HMO making decisions or Big Government making decisions. HMO is interested in profit, Big government is interested in cost. Both have bean counters determining who gets what services.

Removing taxation of medical services and transactions would encourage more services and transactions. Which is better for consumers of services and transactions.



Exactly how are you being "forced to raise/support someone else's children"?

Millions of children or born without stable family and are receiving assistance from taxpayers. These children are born because of poor planning and irresponsible behavior. The taxpayers are burdened with the cost of educating, feeding, ect. Doesn't everyone know the cause of children? It is a fact that children born out of wedlock and on government assistance has skyrocketed since the War on Poverty began in the 60's. Trillions of dollars later and millions of lives ruined and the problems have increased. Why does our government continue policies that encourage this type of behavior?


Where were you while the entire financial/banking industry was being deregulated and given little to no oversight? Why haven't you complained to the Federal Reserve for the huge socialistic bailouts they've already provided to various banks/lenders, and the cutting of interest rates to them? I agree that financial instititions should die in the streets for irresponsible lending.



Exactly what "irresponsible neighbors" decisions are you being "forced by our government" to pay for?

Having children you cannot afford to house, feed or educate!
Living beyond your means!
Being financially irresponsible!
Commiting crimes!
Becoming addicted to drugs!
Using ten times the recources you need to live comfotably!
Supporting corrupt practices of business!
You get the point.


Well, you want "law & order", don't you? Or is your alternative to either slaughter all of the criminals or let them run loose in the streets? What happens when YOU or someone you know can't afford a (very expensive) legal defense? I know! Let's just label you a "terrist" and rendition you to Gitmo or Egypt or Poland.

I am just suggesting to you that there are and should be consequenses for irresponsible behavior. I am suggesting to you that those consequenses have become the burden of responsible citizens. Therefore, we are punishing responsible behavior and rewarding negative behavior. At some point in time, the responsible may decide to join the irresponsible, then what? You cannot kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs.

You throw venom at corporations, business and us greedy bastards paying the bills. Yet, your security and well being are a product of those very institutions.

Corruption, Greed and all the vices of man are not products of capitalism. They exist in all forms of human endeavors. Government is just another of those endeavors, although the most powerful of all. Go ask a Jew living in 1945 Germany. Go ask citizens of the eastern bloc during Soviet reign. History is littered with the slaughtered millions who entrusted their government, king, furer with their well being.

Less government equals more liberty.

Go ahead fool, give control of your life to your government.

Exactly what the Borrow & Spend GOP has been doing for decades now.

Originally Posted by stilesiii

Your point is? What has either party done?