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Saul Raisin will return to the peloton

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Old 26-11.-2007, 02:39 PM   #61
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Evander Holyfield was not supposed to ever fight again because the hospital found an irregularity in his heart and his license to fight was revoked, but he recently fought in Moscow. There is always hope things can change.

Holyfield is not the best example. He never had a lot of brain cells to start out with, so it is rather hard to discern natural stupidity from punch damage; but he is definitely someone who should not still be fighting. A lot of his fans wish he would give it up.

Boxing has given a lot of sad examples for what happens to people who get hit in the head too many times.
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Holyfield is not the best example. He never had a lot of brain cells to start out with, so it is rather hard to discern natural stupidity from punch damage; but he is definitely someone who should not still be fighting. A lot of his fans wish he would give it up.

Boxing has given a lot of sad examples for what happens to people who get hit in the head too many times.
Agreed. Yeah it is sad sometimes.

But there also is a tremendous temptation to get back in the ring when you have something of an interest factor still out there from the public, and your finances aren't going too well on the ex-boxer budget, and you can clear over a $$million from one fight.

If the public (at least enough of the public) are willing to pay to watch, you can't blame the middle aged has-been boxer from cashing in I suppose.
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Its sad for Saul but at least there will be less Americans in the peleton and that can only be a good thing........
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Its sad for Saul but at least there will be less Americans in the peleton and that can only be a good thing........
That wouldn't be because Americans have won it 10 times and a Brit is yet to win a single TdF would it? Even Ireland has won it WBT. And Luxembourg has won it 4 times. What have you guys got in the water over there that negatively affects your sporting prowess relative to your population? Its pathological.
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Its sad for Saul but at least there will be less Americans in the peleton and that can only be a good thing........

Are you a nationalist or what?

I am glad there are still a lot of Americans in the peloton. In fact I wish there would be more Africans, Chinese and riders from other continents and countries in the peloton. It would be good for the sport.
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That would be good.... but less Americans would be better..... ...far less overacting of the Hamilton kind.......

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Are you a nationalist or what?

I am glad there are still a lot of Americans in the peloton. In fact I wish there would be more Africans, Chinese and riders from other continents and countries in the peloton. It would be good for the sport.
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That wouldn't be because Americans have won it 10 times and a Brit is yet to win a single TdF would it? Even Ireland has won it WBT. And Luxembourg has won it 4 times. What have you guys got in the water over there that negatively affects your sporting prowess relative to your population? Its pathological.
We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.
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Holyfield is not the best example. He never had a lot of brain cells to start out with, so it is rather hard to discern natural stupidity from punch damage; but he is definitely someone who should not still be fighting. A lot of his fans wish he would give it up.

Boxing has given a lot of sad examples for what happens to people who get hit in the head too many times.

The point was not about the intellect of Holyfield (perhaps you are right about him), but the point being a reversal of the sporting authority to allow him to fight.

Perhaps in the same manner there could be a possibility of a future reversal for Saul. I'm sure Saul fully comprehends the risks of continued racing.
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We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.



I don't know it for a fact, but I would not testify for certain that McEwen, Evans etc never cheated.
I like to think there are clean riders in the peloton but I am definitely not sticking my head in the sand.
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I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
many athletes/teams.
The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003.
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I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
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The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003.
And one of them was mainly due to special circumstances-home advantage, which hopefully will never be repeated.
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We have not won the TDF for the simple reason that, just like the Aussies who have also never won it, we Brits NEVER stoop to cheating. Fact.

Aside from McLaren and their record setting $100 million dollar fine in F1, eh? Maybe we can forgive them. I guess there is only so much ass kicking by Ferrari that a team can take.
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I don't know it for a fact, but I would not testify for certain that McEwen, Evans etc never cheated.
I like to think there are clean riders in the peloton but I am definitely not sticking my head in the sand.
Retract that implied calumny.
It is an established fact on this here forum that Brits and Aussies, due to innate and unique national characteristics, never stoop to cheating. Evans is definitely clean and Millar just made one little mistake. Besides, he was born in Malta, so he doesn't invalidate my basic thesis.
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Aside from McLaren and their record setting $100 million dollar fine in F1, eh? Maybe we can forgive them. I guess there is only so much ass kicking by Ferrari that a team can take.
McLaren has got a dago driver diluting its ethnic purity, so that doesn't count either. Thank God he's history now.
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I feel an Aussie/Pom debate is on the horizon.

Gregers : you should have got a copy of the Observer Sports Magazine yesterday..........very interesting article on why sporting success has eluded
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The Observer reckons that the only two major team successes in the last 50 yrs were 1966 and 2003.
Thinking about it, that's actually complete rubbish. Didn't we win The Ashes, thrashing a thinly populated country in a minority sport along the way?
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