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20-09.-2007, 12:12 AM

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Re: CCA implodes!!!!

How do you know Fausto? Are you friends with anyone on that team?

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Uboat,

As usual you add nothing to the discussion.

One minute we are talking about "prize money" at Crankworks", next somebody brings up NORCO's sponsorship of a free ride team and now you bring up Symmetrics. Last check Symmetrics does not have one sponsor giving them $500,000 in cash.

20-09.-2007, 01:05 AM

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Re: CCA implodes!!!!

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Originally Posted by Uboat

How do you know Fausto? Are you friends with anyone on that team?

As a matter of fact, I am. I have also spoken to the Cunnighamhans though not recently.

However, Uboat if you have proof that Symmetrics has one sponsor giving them $500,000 or more in cash, please share it with us.

Thx.

20-09.-2007, 05:09 AM

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First things first--I think we'd all love to see your "dialogue" with the Cunninghams. That would be amusing enough.

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20-09.-2007, 10:05 AM	#64
Fausto Coppied Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 609	Re: CCA implodes!!!! Here is the dialgoue with Jermey Storie (Symmetrics). I have quite a bit of email from Kevin Fields as well. I'll see what I can find When I get back to my other computer tomorrow I'll find the dialogue with the Cunninghams. Unfortunately I did not tape my phone calls with them. I'm sure Uboat has them on speed dial.. In the meantime, Uboat, You can post your information anytime.... But I'm not holding my breath. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject: Jeremie, Without divulging exact numbers, would you say your cash budget is more or less than $300,000? Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: Ed, our budget still remains confidential as per our sponsors wishes. We do cover all expenses for our riders, our race program extends beyond BC with several trips to the US and eastern Canada, we have per diem for our riders and staff and our riders and staff are compensated as well. As I stated before we are in year two of our program. We plan on growing our team, budget, goals etc in the years to come and are thinking long term not year to year. Jeremy Storie Team Manager, Symmetrics Cycling

20-09.-2007, 10:22 AM

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Re: CCA implodes!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

I doubt NORCO alone is givng Boyko $500,000. They might spend that on their whole program. Maybe Boyko makes that all totalled. He is one guy and he is in the entertainment business. That is not sport.
You're right I do not care about it. They can play all they want.

I like racing.

I never said that is what Norco is biging Boydo. I said that is what he makes, to different things.

I hate to break to you but racing is entertainment, at least ideally. If it wasn't entertainment nobody would watch it.

Ed you really are not qualified for any position with the CCA. You have no leadership, or vision.

20-09.-2007, 10:36 AM

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That was three years ago, Ed. Jeremy Storie no longer works for the team. They've increased their budget quite a bit with all riders earning from 30-60k a year. They are about to win the UCI America Tour for individuals and as a team, a first for Canada. Kevin Cunningham said the working budget was just under a million dollars at tour of white rock this year, I was there watching my son race.

Have a good day sir.

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Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Here is the dialgoue with Jermey Storie (Symmetrics). I have quite a bit of email from Kevin Fields as well. I'll see what I can find

When I get back to my other computer tomorrow I'll find the dialogue with the Cunninghams. Unfortunately I did not tape my phone calls with them. I'm sure Uboat has them on speed dial..

In the meantime, Uboat, You can post your information anytime....

But I'm not holding my breath.

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject:

Jeremie,

Without divulging exact numbers, would you say your cash budget is more or less than $300,000?

Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject:

Ed, our budget still remains confidential as per our sponsors wishes. We do cover all expenses for our riders, our race program extends beyond BC with several trips to the US and eastern Canada, we have per diem for our riders and staff and our riders and staff are compensated as well. As I stated before we are in year two of our program. We plan on growing our team, budget, goals etc in the years to come and are thinking long term not year to year.

Jeremy Storie
Team Manager, Symmetrics Cycling

20-09.-2007, 10:44 AM

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So Jasmine, you have your list. Any comments????

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Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Oh, God, this question again! I have been answering it since 2003. If you want it done hire me and I'll do it.

OK, one more time:

originally posted Pedalmag.com
Feb 10, 2005 10:18 am Post subject:

Anonymous wrote:

Instead of taking personal shots at each other, we should be discussing what should be happening and is there anything we can do beyond making this public discussion which we know they read.

Excellent idea.

Is there anything we can do beyond making this pulbic discusssin. Yet bet there is. Here is a whole list of things they could do. You can pick you favorites and write to Bill Kinash and the CCA Board of Directors (all addresses at CCA under "contact us" on a PDF document or write to me and I'll send all you need). Write to your provinces. Write to your newspaper and tell them how screwed up things are and ask why nobody is paying attention. Do we have to wait for a total meltdown likeat Swim Canada. Write to Pedal, Canadian Cyclist and VeloNews and ask why they are buryng their heads in the sand.

Write to this guy, he oversees what the CCA gets.:
Tom Scrimger
Director General/Directeur général
Sport Canada
Rm. 5, 16th Fl., 15 Eddy St./Pièce 5, 16e étage, 15 rue Eddy
Gatineau, QC K1A 0M5
(819) 956-8153 /Fax (819) 956-8006

Tom_Scrimger@pch.gc.ca

Here is a short list of things that was posted many times.

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject:

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What would I do about it? I have already outlined much of that elsewhere. I will do it again here.

1. I am ready and willing to handle the CCA's Marketing and Communications. I would have no problem working with Brett Stewart (current Interim Director General running to be the new Chief Operating Officer) and I do not think he would have a problem working with me. Having had to work under Hutsebaut is like having shared going to war together it brings people closer and creates a bond only those that were there can understand! They need only ask.

2. I would see to it that the CCA focused on domestic racing, all racing, and NOT send our best riders overseas to chase UCI points as was the case for the last ten years.

3. Short term that might mean a loss of Sport Canada funding so we would have to work to wean the CCA off the Sport Canada teat and find it corporate sponsors, in the same way Ski Canada, which used to get $5 million in sponsorship now gets $13 million. They get the same $1.2 million base from Sport Canada. The CCA now gets about $400,000 in sponsorship. How can skiing be 30 times more popular than cycling? I do not think it is more popular at all but even if it is, it surely is not 30 times more popular. The only difference is one person, Ski Canada has Ken Read (before Read they still had $4,000,000, more than the CCA). The CCA has left its Marketing Director job vacant for 21 months. How can you find sponsors if you refuse to even look? That is incompetence and negligence two stated reason for impeachment in the by-laws.

4. I would improve communications at the CCA and see to it that it trickled down to all those provincial associations who are not doing it properly. Quebec would be excluded since they regularly hold press conferences which are well attended and get good coverage.
4 a) simple thing, host a discussion forum on the CCA site to discuss future plans and get **** from people like you, instead of creating rumours and misinformation on sites like this.

5. I would work closer and more open channels to all the mainstream players in the media, picking the key reporters who like the sport and want to see it covered. This is not very difficult. There are only about a dozen key players to focus on across the country. I'm already on a first name basis with most of them.

I have spoken with the Sports Editor of The Leader Post in Regina, CCA President Bill Kinash's hometown. The Editor was not aware of Bill Kinash until I made mention of him. Twenty years of work with the Saskatchewan Cycling Association and his hometown doesn't have a clue who he is. How can you put that guy in charge of the sport nation-wide? The Editor there said "cycling is less than vibrant in SK". Sports Editors at most newspaper across the country already know who I am and respond to my calls and emails. Some have even come to post here, haven't they...

6. I would separate all Master National championships from Junior, Espoirs and Elite National Championship to focus on the young categories where development is needed if there is to be any future.
6. a) This should allow both championships to grow and make for better races for all categories. It creates another big sponsorship opportunity. It differentiates the groups and makes it easier to target the markets sponsors are looking for.

7. A well-sponsored national road series WITH NEW EVENTS would be a very high priority.
7 a) To know what well-sponsored was I would open up CCA financial statements and post them on-line, instead of keeping them a secret. The only reason to hide this information is because it is bad news and embarrassing. If the deals with Louis Garneau and Tim Hortons are poor we should know about it. It should not be hidden from us.

7 b) There should be at least one national road race in every province.

8. Cycling Tracks in downtown Montreal and Toronto would be very high priorities. Now that the CCA has this charitable foundation, I think I would use it to launch a dedicated fund aimed only at build a velodrome. I would consider the possibility of asking for a surcharge on each and every racing license in the country until there was enough money. There could be a cycling referendum on it. That’s what we did as students at McGill to build the new sports complex. For years while I attended McGill I paid into this a fund each semester like all other students to get the new field house built. I have never stepped into the place but I paid five bucks every course or every semester like everybody else until they had enough to launch the project. Some corporate donors matched the funding.

9. Sales of CCA promotional item across the country via Internet and better bike shops would be undertaken.
9 a) Create a list of "CCA-Approved Bike Shops" nation-wide to sell CCA promotional stuff and to let licensed riders get small discounts and know which shops are racing-friendly (ie they sponsor riders, teams, or events)

10. I would re-instate an Official National Criterium Championship for Juniors, Espoirs and Elite (men and women), another important marketing opportunity.

11. I would eliminate Master A and add more riders to the Elite field or find a way to incorporate them into Elite field. More riders, better show.

12 I would seek to bring back into the sport all those people with great experience and much knowledge that Pierre Hutsebaut and Brian Jolly have so pissed off that they have left or will have nothing to do with the sport. I’m thinking of guys like Mirek Mazur and others.

13. Present a full slate of qualified candidates for every position that will be open at the next CCA Annual General Meeting. Announce these candidates to the general public not just Provincial Presidents far in advance of the AGM. Have the candidates agree to work with one another on a platform that will have been presented openly and publicly and discussed beforehand with the cycling community on forums like this
13 a) Make the delegates who vote at the AGM public and accountable so their provincial constituents know what they done in their name.

That’s a good start.

If we could get rid of current CCA President Bill Kinash now by impeaching him and electing Lesley Tomlinson President, as allowed and laid out in the CCA by-laws, we would not have to suffer through another season of his mistakes and inaction. Instead of wasting three years we will have wasted only two.

Once those things were implemented I would then work on some bigger changes…

We are told the CCA has a 12-year Strategic Plan. Have you seen it? Why is it a secret as well? I can post my plan but the CCA wants to keep theirs in the dark.

Do Bill Kinash and his Board of Directors own the CCA???? Do they have shares in it?

Last time I looked it was supposed to belong to taxpayers. That being the case why hide everything from the public?

It can only be to hide what a poor job they are doing of managing it.

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Not many of these suggestions written three or four years ago have been done.

I would add today, Sept. 17, 2007:

1. Fire Lorraine Lafrenière (now than Kim Sebrango was fired, something I called for for months). Hire somebody with experience and understanding of the sport going in. not somebody who has to learn on the job. Hire somebody who is passionate about the sport and can communicate that passion to others. Sounds like common sense does it. It still isn’t happening, Kinash and now Pierre Blanchard continue to hire people who know nothing about the sport.

2. Move the CCA out of its disarray of crappy but very expensive ($52,000/yr.) office space in Ottawa and put it near the Forest City Velodrome. Create a complete cycling complex with tracks, mechanic shops, testing and training facilities. Leverage the $600,000 Hamilton Legacy being pissed away in $2000 payments and use it to bargain with a municipal, provincial and federal governments to match it with grants ($600,000 to a municipal $600,000 for $1.2 million to a provincial $1.2 Million for $2.4 million to match a federal $2.4 million for a total of $4.8 million). Show sponsors that were are serious about the sport. Make big plans you get big sponsors.

3. Dump the current sponsors who are undervaluing the sponsorship (i.e. Tim Horton’s and Louis Garneau). If we have to go without sponsors for a year so be it better that than to give the sport away.

4. One serious dialogue with the cycling industry in Canada. The players have big bucks. They sponsor foreign teams and do little at home.

5. Focus on bringing back road racing to downtown major metropolitan areas. That is key.

I’ll give you more but how is that for starters.

20-09.-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Uboat

Whatever, man, you're stil ful of s h i t , I'll post the Cunningham stuff tomorrow. Post you documentation.

Prove to us you know what their budget is.

Go ahead...

Put up or shut up.

As usual, we all know you do not have squat.

20-09.-2007, 10:49 AM	#69
Fausto Coppied Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 609	Re: CCA implodes!!!! PS A quarter million is $250,000 not $500,000 and Evian had $325,000 CASH in 1992 dollars. See, you are full of s h i t .

20-09.-2007, 10:51 AM

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I said just under a million. Not a quarter. Are you high or something, why are you not reading things properly and writing so weird?

Have a good night sir.

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PS A quarter million is $250,000 not $500,000 and Evian had $325,000 CASH in 1992 dollars.

See, you are full of s h i t .

20-09.-2007, 11:20 AM	#71
Fausto Coppied Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 609	Re: CCA implodes!!!! Nice revisionism, good editing. We are stll waiting for ANY documention or statement you might have to back this up..... There is no way every rider on that team is making $30K to $60K. Prove it.

20-09.-2007, 01:21 PM

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How can you say that there is no way every rider on the team is making that much? Do you think Evian is/was the only team that could have a decent budget? Are you upset that another team has managed to get a much bigger budget? And if so, why? Shouldn't you be happy that your team paved the way for Symmetrics?

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Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Nice revisionism, good editing.

We are stll waiting for ANY documention or statement you might have to back this up.....

There is no way every rider on that team is making $30K to $60K.

Prove it.

20-09.-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Nice revisionism, good editing.

We are stll waiting for ANY documention or statement you might have to back this up.....

There is no way every rider on that team is making $30K to $60K.

Prove it.

Actually the riders are making that much money. Although really that isn't that much, that is what a good Elite female MTBer makes.

I know Ryder was offered a $100 000 a year to ride with Symetrics last year. He turned it down because that is the least amount of money he has been offered since he was junior.

Ed you are so out of the loop.

20-09.-2007, 01:23 PM

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By the way, weirdo, my original post that clearly says a million (not a quarter milion) is in your reply post.

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20-09.-2007, 11:24 PM

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More surprises to me. No wonder many riders prefer to stay at home, get good money and win a race every now and then rather and try to do something in Europe. If riders are making 30-60K/year without bonuses then there's no way that team's budget could be as low as 500 000$. If all the riders would make 30K/year and support staff being paid 20K/year for their "part-time" job it would make 540K/year only for salaries.

In European continental team costs are covered but most, almost all, riders won't get paid. Or maybe it's something like 700-1000/month pocket money during season if you are good and lucky. Sure some teams have very nice motor homes etc. but I bet that most teams budgets are in the range of 150-250K/year. I was offered a spot in a continental team but at the time I couldn't afford it as it wouldn't have paid more than 500€/month during season plus price money.

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