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23-09.-2007, 10:01 AM
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Re: CCA implodes!!!!
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That is true. I don't know though is Cam Evans that fast  In Europe you can race professionally with no expenses at amateur level but you will be paid only when you sign your pro deal (this is due to UCI minimum wage). Before someone jumps in I'll add that there are guys in continental teams and even in amateurs that get paid but 80-90% of those kids just get their costs covered. This system is good in that way that it makes amateur races fast. I think that same system would be beneficial to Canadian and US cycling as well as at the moment there's "no" amateur teams and amateur scene means slow cat 3.Hell...if I can't find a real job this fall/winter I'll just take a part time job and train for next season. I would be pretty happy with 25K/year, costs covered + some price money. 
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28-09.-2007, 04:38 AM
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Re: CCA implodes!!!!
Maybe Westwood being gone is a good thing, here is what the “Dead Man Walking" had to say at the Road Worlds about yet another Canadian disappointment. Westwood will be fired as High Performance Director shortly by the Canadian Cycling Association
"Kris Westwood, high performance director for the Canadian Cycling Association, wasn’t too disappointed that Samplonius didn’t reach her top-10 goal. ‘’Anne had a great race. She was in medal contention most of the way. The top-riders passed her at the end.’’ Maybe Kris should be disappointed. I like Kris’ comment, "The top-riders passed her at the end.’’!!!! No shit!!! Funny how that happens. Boy, I've had a lot of "great races" where the top guys passed me too. It sucks....., you know you're doing so well until the actual finish line.... Apparently ‘David Veilleux did OK as well even though he finished 34th out of 70 guys "He had a good race,’’ said Westwood. ‘’He probably started too fast because he seemed tired at the end." Kris, I’ll bet a lot of guys were tired at the end. Jeesh....!! Does working for the CCA kill brain cells? ‘’I’m satisfied with 34th place. I had a good clocking,’’ said Veilleux who reached his goal to finish in the top half of the field (yup, he just made it 34 on 70..) Notice how ingrained the mediocrity is now in Canadian cycling. Finished 34th on 70 is now considered satisfying. Nothing like raising the bar!!!!! At the very least let’s get Lorraine Lafreniere at the CCA to give her athletes some PR tips. , after all, Lafreniere has been unable to accomplish anything else at the CCA in a year. She is supposed to have a PR background, maybe she can tell her riders that expressing satisfaction at finishing in the middle of the field is not why we are spending our taxes dollars to send them to the Worlds. Sponsors will be real keen on supporting guys who shoot for the middle……. Samplonius complained about riding the course in practice only once. Why was that the case? Did the CCA house their athletes 20 km. from the course and fly them in six hours before the event? What else was she doing? Sightseeing? Whose faults was it she didn’t she the course? I’ve been to a couple Worlds, we saw the course(s) a number of times. Why not this time? |
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01-10.-2007, 11:42 AM
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Course was open (closed to cars) for riding by athletes for 1 and a half hours ...only Are you not following the reports? |
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01-10.-2007, 11:45 AM
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Is she afraid of cars? Does she train on closed circuits at home?
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01-10.-2007, 12:31 PM
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01-10.-2007, 09:22 PM
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Give it a break.
The only reason for not seeing the course more was a lack of preparation. The CCA has a history of pulling stupid moves at Worlds and other big races, shopping around for bargain basement lodging often a two hour drive from where they need to be. Worse case scenario you walk the damn course. |
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02-10.-2007, 02:30 AM
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Que?? Was the lack of race speed practice on race course the reason for poor results? Hello!? I'm speechless. I wouldn't shoot Westwood down just based on something that's published on some website. I've been quoted wrong pretty much every time I've been interviewed. Canadian results aren't very good. If I would have such results I couldn't be very satisfied. I thought finishing in top 1/3 is something you can be satisfied with if you are just trying to do as well as possible with no aim at top-10 or something. Didn't U-23 team have pretty much as good program as possible leading to worlds? And elite guys complaning about the lack of long races? Was it a surprise that there are mostly slower and shorter races not best for preparing for worlds in N. America? Complaining about things that were predictable 2, 6 or even 12 months ago is pretty stupid.
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02-10.-2007, 05:22 AM
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Holli,
You can be pretty sure Westwood is writing this stuff himself. |
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01-11.-2007, 05:53 AM
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Oh and by the way---you wanted proof? Once again you are proven wrong.
"Symmetrics started with a $30,000 budget. Last year that budget grew to $800,000 and next year it will be $1 million. " http://www.canada.com/theprovince/n...fa-d96d548b961f QUOTE=Fausto Coppied]If you or Uboat can prove a thing you say I'd feel better. Ubaot claims the Symmetric budget is just under a million dollars. If so they offered more than 10% to one rider? Hard to believe. They would have had to cut the squad by at least two guys. They have 13 men and three women plus a support staff. Do the math, if you as you claim all the riders are getting betwen $30K to $60K then in salaries alone they are paying about $720,000, then you have support staff, minmum three or four people so add another $120,000. That leaves you less than $150,000 for all expenses. The numbers just do not add up. Since none of you have ever run a team with a budget of $300,000 or more and I have, I'll stick to my numbers unless you can prove yours. Go ahead.....[/QUOTE] |
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01-11.-2007, 07:59 AM
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Symmetrics budget is reported to be $800,000 this year and $1,000,000 NEXT year. You wrote, "Kevin Cunningham said the working budget was just under a million dollars at tour of white rock this year, I was there watching my son race." (20-09.-2007, 10:36 AM in this thread). If you think $800,000 is the same as almost a million, I guess you won't mind giving me $200,000! A 20% discrepancy is rather large. It further illustrates the point I was making that offering over $100,000 to one rider when your budget is only $800,000 total is very difficult. It doesn't work. In fact with the other necessary budgetary items it is impossible. What you quoted from me makes it clear. It was close at a $1,000,000 budget it would be impossible at an $800,000 budget level: "They have 13 men and three women plus a support staff. Do the math, if you as you claim all the riders are getting betwen $30K to $60K then in salaries alone they are paying about $720,000, then you have support staff, minmum three or four people so add another $120,000. That leaves you less than $150,000 for all expenses. |
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03-11.-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: CCA implodes!!!!
I think this speaks for itself....
Goofd job overseeing that Lorraine Lafreniere!!! Resign.  November 2/07 11:00 am EDT - BMX Worlds Declare Bankruptcy Posted by Editor on 11/2/07.
BMX Worlds Declare BankruptcyVery quietly, the Victoria BMX 2007 World Championship Society - organizer of this year's world championships - declared bankruptcy in the middle of last month. The local newspaper (Victoria Times Colonist) had a succinct announcement stating that the organization declared bankruptcy on October 17th, and that a creditors meeting would be held November 2nd: IN THE MATTER OF THE BANKRUPTCY OF VICTORIA BMX 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SOCIETY Notice of Bankruptcy and First Meeting of Creditors in Local Newspaper (Section 102(4)) NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the bankruptcy of VICTORIA BMX 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SOCIETY occurred on the 17th day of October 2007, and that the first meeting of creditors will be held on the 2nd day of November 2007, at the hour of ten o'clock in the forenoon, at the location of the Ocean Pointe Resort, Pacific Suite, 45 Songhees Road, in the city of Victoria, in the province of BC. To be eligible to vote, creditors must file with the Trustee prior to that meeting Proofs of Claim and where necessary, proxies. DATED at the city of Victoria, in the province of BC, this 17th day of October 2007. C.E. CRAIG & ASSOCIATES INC. Trustee in Bankruptcy Tel: (250) 386-8778 Fax: (250) 386-6864 418183 It has been difficult to obtain information on the bankruptcy, but from what we have been able to determine, the organizers owe over $100,000 - the majority to local suppliers of services. The Canadian Cycling Association is owed approximately $15,000, according to CEO Lorraine Lafreniere. Lafreniere believes that the shortfall can be traced to a lack of corporate sponsorship. "They were just not able to attract the level of corporate sponsorship that they had forecast." She also points to the Under-20 Soccer World Cup drawing away potential sponsors. A further disappointing outcome of the event was the track, which was scheduled to become a UCI track for future events. Instead (if it survives), it is going to become an ABA run track. from Canadian Cyclist.com |
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03-11.-2007, 11:33 PM
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Hey, Uboat, what do you, it's a sure sign of how great things are going, huh?
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04-11.-2007, 02:22 AM
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Idiot, all I wanted was some recognition that Symmetrics is doing what Evian did and more.
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04-11.-2007, 02:48 AM
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But they are not doing more.
They are doing about the same in some respects and far less in others. They have about zero name recognition outside of the sport and outside of British Columbia. The have almost no mainstream media attention. They have fewer national titles and they have fewer Olympic team riders. |
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29-11.-2007, 02:48 PM
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From: edatarzouiandotcom To: submit@theherald.canwest.com,doviat...@globalt v.com Cc: jchristie@globeandmail.com,sports@t...ian-cycling.com Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:46:21 -0600 Subject: Cyclists to Invade Calgary OK, Calgary, here is your big chance to question all "The Powers that Be" in Canadian cycling this weekend. The Canadian Cycling Association Annual General Meeting will take place in your city this weekend: "Notice to all licensed and general members of the Canadian Cycling Association The CCA Annual General Meeting will be held at the Four Points by Sheraton Calgary West, 8220 Bowridge Crescent NW, Calgary, AB on Sunday December 2, 2007: between 9:00 and 11:00 am. The meeting is open to all current CCA members (proof of membership required). Note: Voting for elected positions is restricted to the designated Provincial delegates. " All the usual suspects will be there. In case you didn't know, this year saw the firing of the Finance Director, the High Performance Director, the Marketing Director and two or three coaches, I might be forgetting somebody. This year saw the reduction of the CCA budget from $2,700,000 to about $1,500,000. I'm not much on math but that's like a 45% decrease in a year. Major events were cancelled. The track in Quebec City was destroyed. Not one new event. No new teams were created, some were lost. The media coverage was even worse than in recent years. Yup, that's you guys, and you ignored the sport even more than you usually do, if that's possible. For the first time in living memory not one medal was one in any World Cycling championship in any discipline (road, track, mountain bike or BMX) by men or women. This debacle was overseen by Lorraine Lafreniere, a woman how had never competed herself in a sport and never run a sport organization. She had ZERO experience in the sport of cycling prior to being hired as Director General to run it for the country only about one year ago. How short sighted is that. She was a talking PR head and ran a Coaches Association, which is far more like a trade organization than a sport. In her capacity there she never ran or organized a sporting event. Finally, to cap the year off the BMX World Cycling Championship held in Victoria that were supposed to bring fame, riches and glory to Canada filed for bankruptcy. Even the CBC is owed $43,000 dollars. So, here's your big chance ask Lorraine Lafreniere how she could have screwed so much up in so little time. Bring a shovel for all the bullshit. All my best, Ed Arzouian Last edited by Fausto Coppied : 29-11.-2007 at 04:33 PM. |
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