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08-06.-2007, 06:46 AM

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frenchyge

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by doctorb

Referring to Biomac's statement, if both cyclists could remain precisely at their respective ATs (documented by metabolic cart testing), one in the small chainring with a faster cadence, and the other in the larger chainring with a slower cadence, I could not predict who would fade faster.

Simple. In a case of something which cannot be proven in a general case, the one who is not using the product being advertised at the time will fade faster.

09-06.-2007, 05:28 AM

#62

biomac

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by doctorb

(...) As a neurologist, I recognize the fact that multiple muscles come into play for any complex action. The human body is not one hundred percent efficient. The same power output does not necessarily imply the same level of respective participation from each muscle. Perhaps rediustribution of muscular workload could improve endurance. This must however be tested under precisely controlled conditions. I hope these insights serve as food for ongoing thought. Barry

Thanks Doc for commenting on an important point in the puzzle. Apart from the mechanical improvement of a prolonged downstroke combined with a shorter pulling sector, the redistibution of workload on more efficient muscle groups, here: upper thighs and hamstrings instead of tiny calves and perigenual region, was essential when it comes to evaluate the changes within the athlete due to bio-mxc². Talking about efficiency, the middle third of the foot has got it all: Enormous power a n d endurance, the ability to compensate higher reps due to a still active ankle play a n d a direct transmission of the rider's legpower to the pedal. That's why we chose it as the ideal area of cleat attachment and designed a bicycle shoe sole which could host any cleat on the current market in this zone.
The 'rest', like dramatically reduced weight, stack height, water uptake and exposition to chemicals within the shoe plus superior ventilation, classical
toe - and heel-lift and the option to make a customized shoe for those, who due to individual requirements would suffer from mass-production shoes was 'just' a necessary consequence in order to give our finding the appropriate finish.

14-06.-2007, 06:38 AM

#63

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by Ergoman

What you have provided is a list of the individuals' webpages. Once again, no photos, no race results, no mention of arch cleats or your products on any of these pages. If you have photos or results from any of these athletes using arch cleats in competition, please post them here.

Ergoman, I don't know how to paste pictures into this forum but I just found one on CN which shows a European pro, riding our shoe and position http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/...07/letters06-13
The guy, Thomas Rohregger got 4th in the race.
Like it?

14-06.-2007, 07:58 AM

#64

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by biomac

Yeah, but the guys who got 1st, 2nd and 3rd were riding conventional cleats. Did Rohregger get 4th because of the cleats or in spite of them?

14-06.-2007, 02:43 PM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by Ergoman

Yeah, but the guys who got 1st, 2nd and 3rd were riding conventional cleats. Did Rohregger get 4th because of the cleats or in spite of them?

Who knows? Pitty is, you'll never find out, unless you tried yourself.
Maybe you should start with one foot in traditional, the other in bio-mxc² position and watch which leg will tire first?!
Keep us all posted, will you?!

21-06.-2007, 09:15 PM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by Ergoman

In order to keep this thread up to date, here you go: http://62.75.177.102/biomac-p20h1s4-.htm
number of shoes/rider: 1pair each
time for adaptation from 1st contact with bio-mxc²: 10 days
placement: 1st
average speed: 18mph
result: 1st place
website: www.visual-values.com
Please understand if they probably had no time for an update yet.

22-06.-2007, 12:34 AM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by biomac

Now who on earth made us propel our cranks with our toes instead of our arches?! A pair of biomac's Y² for him who can name this Bean.

http://cyclingforums.com/showpost.p...62&postcount=38

Are you going to tell me I got this wrong? I'd love a pair of shoes to test, so I can share the results with my clients.

22-06.-2007, 03:21 AM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by jbvcoaching

http://cyclingforums.com/showpost.p...62&postcount=38

Are you going to tell me I got this wrong? I'd love a pair of shoes to test, so I can share the results with my clients.

Although I would name other torturers: Were is your measures?
Please send them to info@biomac.biz

22-06.-2007, 03:36 AM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by biomac

Although I would name other torturers: Were is your measures?
Please send them to info@biomac.biz

On the way, thanks!

20-08.-2007, 06:11 AM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by n crowley

What Hogg fails to realize is that the same broom handle type lever example occurs between hip and knee, resulting in even more serious loss of effectiveness in pedal stroke when transferring generated power downwards from knee. This is demonstrated by the increase in power as hip moves forward when rider gets out of saddle. Just another of the many disadvantages associated with using vertical pedal pressure to power the pedals.

You're not saying that a BENT puts you in a better position to put power to the wheels are you? HMMM.

20-08.-2007, 08:54 AM

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Re: Arch cleats??

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Originally Posted by NORECUMYET

You're not saying that a BENT puts you in a better position to put power to the wheels are you? HMMM.

No, I was referring to the technique used by the muscles when generating pedal power that is applied by pressing directly down on pedal.

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