Yup, BMX is going to save Canadian cycling!!!!

Originally Posted by JM01

Well put...but speaking with the LBS's I deal with, the future of biking appears to be road, hybrid, or even cyclecross...the aging population won't be hucking much longer...

But still, I'm 57, wife is 55 and we're on our MTB's in Collingwood every weekend (outriding most of the kids), but then we do a lot of asphalt as well

However, I can't see the point of watching bike races...reminds me of the time a client took me to the Molson Indy...great seats, and every few seconds a car zipped by...big deal

I'd compare watching a bike race as opposed to riding a bike to watching a porn flick to making love

Also, to Marylin Churley's law...why should women not have the same prize money as men?

Originally Posted by holli

You must be looking at this whole thing from health, fitness, recreational POV? No offense but to me you are pretty stereotypical older cyclist ( I don't know you at all so this might be very ignorant assumption ). I think it's very good that you and your wife are on the bike as you are more likely to be able to enjoy your retirement days as well. Bad thing is that many young guys in their early 20's don't have the same passion to push themselves. It's easier for some young guy to go to the park with their 40lbs bikes to drink beer and smoke weed rather than torture themselves on a bike. There might be 1000 kids in the parks dirt jumping but that doesn't have anything to do with sport.

I can't understand how someone doesn't like watching cycling on TV. I've been watching Vuelta on cycling.tv alost every day and Tour was every day deal for me in July. I don't even like these big tours because they are boring. Spring classics are the high point of my TV year. I'm bit different though as I've ridden many of the roads the big boys race every spring and it's more personal to me.

If there's 20 women and 60 men they shouldn't get the same price money. If there would be 60 women and 60 men then there would be no problem giving prices for ~10 best in both categories. If there would be 20 women and 20 men the the prices should be the same as well but not for 10 best.

If women should get the same price money just because in some way it would be equal then cat 4/5 riders should get the same prices as cat 1/2.

Originally Posted by JM01

This prize thing in Toronto started with Marylin's traumatic childhood experience...she won the girl's public speaking contest as did a boy in his category...he got a trip and some good stuff, she got $25.00. After therepy, she made it her crusade to ensure equal prizes for both genders competeing in the same event.

Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

So instead of dealing with her pain she inflicts it upon everybody else and basically kills the sport in downtown Toronto.

She wants equal prize money for "both genders competeing in the same event".

I have no problem with that. Have the women compete in the same event....

As it is they are 1/3 to 1/5 the women compared to men's events, they do 1/2 the distance and go 1/2 as fast, yet she wants to get the same prize money!

That's not equal that's about 7 times more for the women.

Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

I think this speaks for itself....prophetic aren't I!!!!


Good job overseeing that Lorraine Lafreniere!!!

Resign.


November 2/07 11:00 am EDT - BMX Worlds Declare Bankruptcy


BMX Worlds Declare Bankruptcy

Very quietly, the Victoria BMX 2007 World Championship Society - organizer of this year's world championships - declared bankruptcy in the middle of last month. The local newspaper (Victoria Times Colonist) had a succinct announcement stating that the organization declared bankruptcy on October 17th, and that a creditors meeting would be held November 2nd:

IN THE MATTER OF THE BANKRUPTCY OF VICTORIA BMX 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SOCIETY

Notice of Bankruptcy and First Meeting of Creditors in Local Newspaper (Section 102(4)) NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the bankruptcy of VICTORIA BMX 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SOCIETY occurred on the 17th day of October 2007, and that the first meeting of creditors will be held on the 2nd day of November 2007, at the hour of ten o'clock in the forenoon, at the location of the Ocean Pointe Resort, Pacific Suite, 45 Songhees Road, in the city of Victoria, in the province of BC. To be eligible to vote, creditors must file with the Trustee prior to that meeting Proofs of Claim and where necessary, proxies.

DATED at the city of Victoria, in the province of BC, this 17th day of October 2007. C.E. CRAIG & ASSOCIATES INC. Trustee in Bankruptcy Tel: (250) 386-8778 Fax: (250) 386-6864 418183

It has been difficult to obtain information on the bankruptcy, but from what we have been able to determine, the organizers owe over $100,000 - the majority to local suppliers of services. The Canadian Cycling Association is owed approximately $15,000, according to CEO Lorraine Lafreniere.

Lafreniere believes that the shortfall can be traced to a lack of corporate sponsorship. "They were just not able to attract the level of corporate sponsorship that they had forecast." She also points to the Under-20 Soccer World Cup drawing away potential sponsors.

A further disappointing outcome of the event was the track, which was scheduled to become a UCI track for future events. Instead (if it survives), it is going to become an ABA run track.

from Canadian Cyclist.com

Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Gregor T.,



While I may not have all the facts, as you claim, you seem confused yourself.

First ,you say the CCA was to blame four ago. Ok, I'll buy that, let's blame the CCA President at the time, Bill Kinash. He has been a disaster from the moment he took office.

You then say certain other "elements" in the CCA are to blame.

What "elements' would those be? When we they invovled?

It is no surprise the CCA and the organizers had to use the UCI BMX track builder, that's the way the UCI works. The Worlds are a UCI event.


If the BMX Worlds are anything like the Road Worlds the CCA would have had to obtain the sanction from the UCI for the event to go forward. They would have a contract with the UCI and the BMX Worlds Organizing Committee.


So the CCA was probably represented on the Board of Directors of the BMX Worlds Organizing Committee as would have been a representative from the BC Cycling Association.


They all share the blame.


Therefore I still believe Lorraine Lafrenière shares the blame as well.


Since she has never organized a bike races she has no idea what was going on.

Finally, while I may not be the "savior" of Canadian cycling, I sure as hell could do a better job than Lafrenière who has no understanding of the sport and no relevant experience to run it.

What has she done in more than a year? Not a god damn thing worth mentioning.

Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

You continue to collaborate with people you know are killing the sport.

You lack the balls to name names of those screwing up.

I have been correct in every assesment of the CCA I have made.

If you think having a woman who knows nothing about the sport, who has never organized an event herself in amny sport, is going to assist the CCA, you need help not me.

Mountain biking is killing the sport of cycling.
Get on the road.

Originally Posted by Fausto Coppied

Gregor T.,

You still appear to be a namelss eunuch to me.

Here are more words on the World BMX. they contradict yours.

Why would the ABA get the track?

Victoria BMX Worlds Society Declares Bankruptcy
by pedalmag.com November 2, 2007 (Victoria, BC) - The organization that hosted and organized the 2007 UCI BMX World Championships in Victoria this past July, the Victoria 2007 BMX World Championship Society, has declared bankruptcy according to documents filed in BC courts on October 17. C.E. Craig and Associates Inc. was apppointed the trustee.

The organization apparently owes some $308,053 against assets worth about $166,992, leaving a shortfall of $141,131. Among the creditors - all of whom are unsecured - we find organizer De Armond Management Ltd. ($62,500); CBC ($43,000); and the Canadian Cycling Association ($15,000). The first meeting of the creditors on the matter was held today in Victoria.

The 2007 BMX World Championships took place in Victoria from July 26-29 and while hoped for sponsorships were not realized the news of the bankruptcy has surprised the industry.

What's still up in the air is the status of the BMX Worlds UCI level track which is rumoured to possibly end up in the hands of the US-based BMX organization, ABA (American Bicycle Association), as British Columbia remains a stronghold for the ABA within Canada in the ongoing turf war with the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA).

Pedal reached Lorraine Lafrenière, Chief Executive Officer of the CCA, who confirmed that the CCA is a creditor and confirmed that the BMX Worlds organizers had trouble securing corporate support. She also spoke about the "ongoing turf war" with the ABA BMX, describing the latter group as "an American, for profit organization." Lafrenière pointed out that the BMX track was built with Canadian government funds, raising questions about what taxpayers might think if the facility was taken over by a foreign entity. She also hopes that all BMX events in Canada will fall under Canadian jurisdiction. Lafrenière continued however to emphasize that the CCA was willing to share the facility and stressed that club members should not be punished because of the turf war.

Pedal tried to reach Victoria-based BMX World's event organizer, Marischal De Armond of De Armond Management Ltd., without success. De Armond Management Ltd., as noted, is also a creditor.

The The Victoria 2007 BMX World Championship Society Board of Directors issued the following statement regarding their decision to file for bankruptcy.

The Victoria 2007 BMX World Championship Statement

Date: October 16, 2007

RE: Decision to file for bankcruptcy

Statement

It is with profound disappointment that the Board of Directors of the Victoria 2007 BMX World Championship Soceity has announced a decision to file for bankruptcy.

It is truly unfortunate that an event as successful as the 2007 UCI BMX World Championship, an event that showcased the community and Canada in the best possible light, left a world-class track to help develop the sport of BMX and generated more than $2.1 million in government tax revenues should end on a disappointing note.

Despite the tremendous success of the event itself and an estimated economic impact in excess of $4.3 million, the project concluded with a deficit and is unable to pay its suppliers in full.

The Society was preparing to make a proposal to its suppliers, averaging 50% to 55%. The proposal would have asked the larger public sector suppliers to agree to accept less in order to provide more to the smaller private sector suppliers. However, when one of the suppliers placed a garnishment on its bank account, the Society had no viable option but to file bankruptcy to ensure fairness to all the other creditors.

All questions should be directed to the bankruptcy Trustee Collen Craig 250-386-8778.

Board of Directors
Victoria 2007 BMX World Championship Society