My first race in 10 yrs

Steve Freides

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:5pe3pvFqbrccU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> snip<
>>>>> Troll.
>>>>
>>>> This from the guy who said people who compete are better than those
>>>> who swim for fitness.
>>>
>>> Right. Let's review: I said "puts you ahead of ..." which you
>>> trolled into "a disgrace to swimming." I believe it takes a certain
>>> something to commit to a competition, to train for it, to show up
>>> for it, and to perform on someone else's clock. Not everyone has
>>> the dedication or the intestinal fortitude to compete, and I applaud
>>> those who do. I do not find anything _wrong_ with those who don't,
>>> but I applaud those who do.
>>>
>>> Clear enough for you?
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> I agree that MWS is a troll who is simply looking for arguments. My
>> opinion is not based on this single thread though, rather having
>> watched him disagree with almost everyone on every subject,
>> apparently just for the sake of it. Micheal Artindale did say some
>> daft things in the early days, and MWS started to pick on him as a
>> result. However, MA seems to have got more sensible and taken up
>> swimming properly now, so should be given a chance, but MWS won't
>> relent. Like all bullies he likes to kick someone he feels he can
>> bully, so long as he can't be hurt himself. So for 'troll' equally
>> read 'bully' 'know-all' etc.
>> What MWS doesn't appreciate is that his behaviour simply leads people
>> to treat everything he says as nonsense, even if it isn't, and he
>> ends up destroying his own credibility rather than that of his
>> victims.
>
> Well then, it's ok for Steve to make the kind of statements about
> competing that drive people away from masters swimming. A lot of
> potential swimmers don't come out because they think they will be
> pressured into competing. And, the fact is some masters coaches do
> apply that kind of pressure. Steve thinks it takes intestinal
> fortitude and dedication to train for competition, but apparently it
> doesn't take intestinal fortitude and dedication to do exactly the
> same training for fitness. You don't say anything about that nonsense.
> Nor did I attack Micheal, but here you are implying I did. That
> nonsense is ok too.

The only appropriate response is a big "whatever." No, people shouldn't
stay away from a master's program just because they don't want to
compete, no, coaches shouldn't browbeat people into competing, but yes,
it's OK is a team is competition focused because there is room for all
sorts of people in this world, including both those who want to compete
and those who don't, and a master swim team that competes isn't the only
game in town, e.g., my Y has a class called adult advanced swimming or
words to that effect that offers many of the benefits of a masters swim
team like a teacher, regular workouts, etc., without competitions - but
they also have a competing team at the same Y where no one is forced to
attend meets, only those who want to do so, and I think they only go to
one or two meets a year, anyway.

Lighten up and stop trying to make arguments where there aren't any.
Micheal did a good thing and it needn't go further than that. Sheesh.

-S-

Steve Freides

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Ghost Rider wrote:
>> mwsmith wrote:
>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also
>>>>>>> my first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10
>>>>>>> years ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds.
>>>>>>> Today, I had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact
>>>>>>> that I did better than before. As long as my next meet, i get
>>>>>>> faster, I am happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get
>>>>>> DQ'ed on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of
>>>>>> most people who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that
>>>>> I finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ
>>>>> beside my name for any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>>
>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will
>>>> happen eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges!
>>>> Don't let it worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is
>>>> never any disgrace in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for
>>> fitness and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>
>> Just give the guy a break. Because my just turned 8 year old can kick
>> his ass in the 50m free and 100 IM, doesn't mean he's not trying. It
>> means he's got a lot of potential.
>
> I didn't criticize his effort at all. I criticized the remark about
> people who compete being better than those who don't.

You really need something else to do with your free time - you spend far
to much of it looking to stir up arguments here. Micheal swam at a
meet, we all said Bravo, and you're trying to make something out of it
that just isn't there.

-S-

Steve Freides

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Ghost Rider wrote:
>> mwsmith wrote:
>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also
>>>>>>> my first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10
>>>>>>> years ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds.
>>>>>>> Today, I had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact
>>>>>>> that I did better than before. As long as my next meet, i get
>>>>>>> faster, I am happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get
>>>>>> DQ'ed on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of
>>>>>> most people who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that
>>>>> I finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ
>>>>> beside my name for any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>>
>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will
>>>> happen eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges!
>>>> Don't let it worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is
>>>> never any disgrace in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for
>>> fitness and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>
>> Just give the guy a break. Because my just turned 8 year old can kick
>> his ass in the 50m free and 100 IM, doesn't mean he's not trying. It
>> means he's got a lot of potential.
>
> I didn't criticize his effort at all. I criticized the remark about
> people who compete being better than those who don't.

You really need something else to do with your free time - you spend far
to much of it looking to stir up arguments here. Micheal swam at a
meet, we all said Bravo, and you're trying to make something out of it
that just isn't there.

-S-

Steve Freides

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:Y_adnTdvCNi00azaRVnyvwA@giganews.com...
> Ghost Rider wrote:
>> mwsmith wrote:
>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also
>>>>>>> my first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10
>>>>>>> years ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds.
>>>>>>> Today, I had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact
>>>>>>> that I did better than before. As long as my next meet, i get
>>>>>>> faster, I am happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get
>>>>>> DQ'ed on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of
>>>>>> most people who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that
>>>>> I finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ
>>>>> beside my name for any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>>
>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will
>>>> happen eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges!
>>>> Don't let it worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is
>>>> never any disgrace in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for
>>> fitness and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>
>> Just give the guy a break. Because my just turned 8 year old can kick
>> his ass in the 50m free and 100 IM, doesn't mean he's not trying. It
>> means he's got a lot of potential.
>
> I didn't criticize his effort at all. I criticized the remark about
> people who compete being better than those who don't.

You really need something else to do with your free time - you spend far
to much of it looking to stir up arguments here. Micheal swam at a
meet, we all said Bravo, and you're trying to make something out of it
that just isn't there.

-S-

mwsmith

Steve Freides wrote:
> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:Y_adnTdvCNi00azaRVnyvwA@giganews.com...
>> Ghost Rider wrote:
>>> mwsmith wrote:
>>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also
>>>>>>>> my first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10
>>>>>>>> years ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds.
>>>>>>>> Today, I had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact
>>>>>>>> that I did better than before. As long as my next meet, i get
>>>>>>>> faster, I am happy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get
>>>>>>> DQ'ed on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of
>>>>>>> most people who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that
>>>>>> I finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ
>>>>>> beside my name for any event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will
>>>>> happen eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges!
>>>>> Don't let it worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is
>>>>> never any disgrace in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>>>
>>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for
>>>> fitness and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>> Just give the guy a break. Because my just turned 8 year old can kick
>>> his ass in the 50m free and 100 IM, doesn't mean he's not trying. It
>>> means he's got a lot of potential.
>> I didn't criticize his effort at all. I criticized the remark about
>> people who compete being better than those who don't.
>
> You really need something else to do with your free time - you spend far
> to much of it looking to stir up arguments here. Micheal swam at a
> meet, we all said Bravo, and you're trying to make something out of it
> that just isn't there.

I didn't make anything at all out of what Micheal did. He said the only
thing he cared about was that he not get disqualified.

mwsmith

Steve Freides wrote:
> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:Y_adnTdvCNi00azaRVnyvwA@giganews.com...
>> Ghost Rider wrote:
>>> mwsmith wrote:
>>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also
>>>>>>>> my first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10
>>>>>>>> years ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds.
>>>>>>>> Today, I had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact
>>>>>>>> that I did better than before. As long as my next meet, i get
>>>>>>>> faster, I am happy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get
>>>>>>> DQ'ed on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of
>>>>>>> most people who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that
>>>>>> I finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ
>>>>>> beside my name for any event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will
>>>>> happen eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges!
>>>>> Don't let it worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is
>>>>> never any disgrace in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>>>
>>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for
>>>> fitness and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>> Just give the guy a break. Because my just turned 8 year old can kick
>>> his ass in the 50m free and 100 IM, doesn't mean he's not trying. It
>>> means he's got a lot of potential.
>> I didn't criticize his effort at all. I criticized the remark about
>> people who compete being better than those who don't.
>
> You really need something else to do with your free time - you spend far
> to much of it looking to stir up arguments here. Micheal swam at a
> meet, we all said Bravo, and you're trying to make something out of it
> that just isn't there.

I didn't make anything at all out of what Micheal did. He said the only
thing he cared about was that he not get disqualified.

mwsmith

Steve Freides wrote:
> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:Y_adnTdvCNi00azaRVnyvwA@giganews.com...
>> Ghost Rider wrote:
>>> mwsmith wrote:
>>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also
>>>>>>>> my first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10
>>>>>>>> years ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds.
>>>>>>>> Today, I had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact
>>>>>>>> that I did better than before. As long as my next meet, i get
>>>>>>>> faster, I am happy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get
>>>>>>> DQ'ed on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of
>>>>>>> most people who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that
>>>>>> I finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ
>>>>>> beside my name for any event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will
>>>>> happen eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges!
>>>>> Don't let it worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is
>>>>> never any disgrace in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>>>
>>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for
>>>> fitness and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>> Just give the guy a break. Because my just turned 8 year old can kick
>>> his ass in the 50m free and 100 IM, doesn't mean he's not trying. It
>>> means he's got a lot of potential.
>> I didn't criticize his effort at all. I criticized the remark about
>> people who compete being better than those who don't.
>
> You really need something else to do with your free time - you spend far
> to much of it looking to stir up arguments here. Micheal swam at a
> meet, we all said Bravo, and you're trying to make something out of it
> that just isn't there.

I didn't make anything at all out of what Micheal did. He said the only
thing he cared about was that he not get disqualified.

Micheal Artindale

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:Y_adnTRvCNhE1qzaRVnyvwA@giganews.com...
> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>> "mwsmith" <nomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:HK2dnZ72koMI9K3aRVnyggA@giganews.com...
>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also my
>>>>>>> first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10 years
>>>>>>> ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds. Today, I
>>>>>>> had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact that I did
>>>>>>> better than before. As long as my next meet, i get faster, I am
>>>>>>> happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get DQ'ed
>>>>>> on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of most people
>>>>>> who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that I
>>>>> finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ beside my
>>>>> name for any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will happen
>>>> eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges! Don't let it
>>>> worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is never any disgrace
>>>> in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for fitness
>>> and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>
>> I will ask you a very simple question.
>>
>> If you own a car that among its features can do over 300km/hr and you
>> never get it up to that speed. You never take it to a track, you never
>> take it a highway that you can do that speed. Are you using it to its
>> fullest?
>
> Taking it to the track is like going to the pool for a workout, yes? A
> fitness swimming workout is like that.
>
>> What about if it has 4 wheel drive, and you never take it off paved
>> roads?
>
> Taking it off-road is like going to the pool for a workout, yes?

No. racing in a meet and showing what you can do is like taking it off road.
although they do not say it, the practices are designed to help you get
effiicient, and faster. Why would that be done?

>A fitness swimming workout is like that.

Nope

>
>> Personally, Although it is not a disgrace, it is sad. Anything you do,
>> you shoudl doi it in some competition at least once. I may do a diving
>> competition in the spring. I need to find out if I can enter it.
>
> You have just made competing a moral issue. Wow.

Please esplain Mr Psycologist.

>
>> Martin,
>>
>> You have on many occations shown that you are a troll.
>>
>> I will comment, it is more for my humour.
> >
> > Micheal
> >
> >
>
> Micheal, you don't seem to understand the subject.
>
> Martin
>

Well... The original subject was me letting everyone here know that I did a
race, and how I did on it. I even have video, and there is a website with
the results.

What am I not understanding? It is you who may not be understanding.

But I could be wrong.

Micheal

Micheal Artindale

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>> "mwsmith" <nomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:HK2dnZ72koMI9K3aRVnyggA@giganews.com...
>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also my
>>>>>>> first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10 years
>>>>>>> ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds. Today, I
>>>>>>> had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact that I did
>>>>>>> better than before. As long as my next meet, i get faster, I am
>>>>>>> happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get DQ'ed
>>>>>> on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of most people
>>>>>> who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that I
>>>>> finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ beside my
>>>>> name for any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will happen
>>>> eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges! Don't let it
>>>> worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is never any disgrace
>>>> in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for fitness
>>> and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>
>> I will ask you a very simple question.
>>
>> If you own a car that among its features can do over 300km/hr and you
>> never get it up to that speed. You never take it to a track, you never
>> take it a highway that you can do that speed. Are you using it to its
>> fullest?
>
> Taking it to the track is like going to the pool for a workout, yes? A
> fitness swimming workout is like that.
>
>> What about if it has 4 wheel drive, and you never take it off paved
>> roads?
>
> Taking it off-road is like going to the pool for a workout, yes?

No. racing in a meet and showing what you can do is like taking it off road.
although they do not say it, the practices are designed to help you get
effiicient, and faster. Why would that be done?

>A fitness swimming workout is like that.

Nope

>
>> Personally, Although it is not a disgrace, it is sad. Anything you do,
>> you shoudl doi it in some competition at least once. I may do a diving
>> competition in the spring. I need to find out if I can enter it.
>
> You have just made competing a moral issue. Wow.

Please esplain Mr Psycologist.

>
>> Martin,
>>
>> You have on many occations shown that you are a troll.
>>
>> I will comment, it is more for my humour.
> >
> > Micheal
> >
> >
>
> Micheal, you don't seem to understand the subject.
>
> Martin
>

Well... The original subject was me letting everyone here know that I did a
race, and how I did on it. I even have video, and there is a website with
the results.

What am I not understanding? It is you who may not be understanding.

But I could be wrong.

Micheal

Micheal Artindale

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:Y_adnTRvCNhE1qzaRVnyvwA@giganews.com...
> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>> "mwsmith" <nomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:HK2dnZ72koMI9K3aRVnyggA@giganews.com...
>>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:jbLXi.29853$XF6.11562@edtnps90...
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5p9644Fqe6c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:IP6Xi.2738$h57.1015@edtnps89...
>>>>>>> Today, Nov 3, was my first race with a masters team. It was also my
>>>>>>> first race in 10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swam 2 events.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 50m Free, this is the only event I have raced, which was 10 years
>>>>>>> ago. The last time I did it my time was about 45 seconds. Today, I
>>>>>>> had a time of 43:50 Seconds. I am happy with the fact that I did
>>>>>>> better than before. As long as my next meet, i get faster, I am
>>>>>>> happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) 100m IM. I have never raced it before. I have never raced Fly
>>>>>>> before. My time was 2:02:32. I am happy that I finished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be posting both events on my facebook page. I am the only
>>>>>>> Micheal Artindale there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you take a look, let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micheal
>>>>>> Nice job, Micheal. You entered, you showed up, you didn't get DQ'ed
>>>>>> on anything - that's all good, and it puts you ahead of most people
>>>>>> who don't take the time to show up and compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, The only thing that I cared about with this race was that I
>>>>> finished and not get DQed. I never want to see a DNF or a DQ beside my
>>>>> name for any event.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to the next one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>> No one wants to be disqualified, but if you do enough it will happen
>>>> eventually, as none of us is perfect - even the judges! Don't let it
>>>> worry you too much, just keep coming back. There is never any disgrace
>>>> in failure or defeat - only in not trying.
>>> Are you then also saying that people who join masters teams for fitness
>>> and fellowship are a disgrace to swimming?
>>
>> I will ask you a very simple question.
>>
>> If you own a car that among its features can do over 300km/hr and you
>> never get it up to that speed. You never take it to a track, you never
>> take it a highway that you can do that speed. Are you using it to its
>> fullest?
>
> Taking it to the track is like going to the pool for a workout, yes? A
> fitness swimming workout is like that.
>
>> What about if it has 4 wheel drive, and you never take it off paved
>> roads?
>
> Taking it off-road is like going to the pool for a workout, yes?

No. racing in a meet and showing what you can do is like taking it off road.
although they do not say it, the practices are designed to help you get
effiicient, and faster. Why would that be done?

>A fitness swimming workout is like that.

Nope

>
>> Personally, Although it is not a disgrace, it is sad. Anything you do,
>> you shoudl doi it in some competition at least once. I may do a diving
>> competition in the spring. I need to find out if I can enter it.
>
> You have just made competing a moral issue. Wow.

Please esplain Mr Psycologist.

>
>> Martin,
>>
>> You have on many occations shown that you are a troll.
>>
>> I will comment, it is more for my humour.
> >
> > Micheal
> >
> >
>
> Micheal, you don't seem to understand the subject.
>
> Martin
>

Well... The original subject was me letting everyone here know that I did a
race, and how I did on it. I even have video, and there is a website with
the results.

What am I not understanding? It is you who may not be understanding.

But I could be wrong.

Micheal

Duncan Heenan

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:_OudnXTMgPQWcKzanZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:5pe3pvFqbrccU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> snip<
>>>>> Troll.
>>>>
>>>> This from the guy who said people who compete are better than those who
>>>> swim for fitness.
>>>
>>> Right. Let's review: I said "puts you ahead of ..." which you trolled
>>> into "a disgrace to swimming." I believe it takes a certain something
>>> to commit to a competition, to train for it, to show up for it, and to
>>> perform on someone else's clock. Not everyone has the dedication or the
>>> intestinal fortitude to compete, and I applaud those who do. I do not
>>> find anything _wrong_ with those who don't, but I applaud those who do.
>>>
>>> Clear enough for you?
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> I agree that MWS is a troll who is simply looking for arguments. My
>> opinion is not based on this single thread though, rather having watched
>> him disagree with almost everyone on every subject, apparently just for
>> the sake of it. Micheal Artindale did say some daft things in the early
>> days, and MWS started to pick on him as a result. However, MA seems to
>> have got more sensible and taken up swimming properly now, so should be
>> given a chance, but MWS won't relent. Like all bullies he likes to kick
>> someone he feels he can bully, so long as he can't be hurt himself. So
>> for 'troll' equally read 'bully' 'know-all' etc.
>> What MWS doesn't appreciate is that his behaviour simply leads people to
>> treat everything he says as nonsense, even if it isn't, and he ends up
>> destroying his own credibility rather than that of his victims.
>
> Well then, it's ok for Steve to make the kind of statements about
> competing that drive people away from masters swimming. A lot of potential
> swimmers don't come out because they think they will be pressured into
> competing. And, the fact is some masters coaches do apply that kind of
> pressure. Steve thinks it takes intestinal fortitude and dedication to
> train for competition, but apparently it doesn't take intestinal fortitude
> and dedication to do exactly the same training for fitness. You don't say
> anything about that nonsense. Nor did I attack Micheal, but here you are
> implying I did. That nonsense is ok too.

QED

Duncan Heenan

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:_OudnXTMgPQWcKzanZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:5pe3pvFqbrccU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> snip<
>>>>> Troll.
>>>>
>>>> This from the guy who said people who compete are better than those who
>>>> swim for fitness.
>>>
>>> Right. Let's review: I said "puts you ahead of ..." which you trolled
>>> into "a disgrace to swimming." I believe it takes a certain something
>>> to commit to a competition, to train for it, to show up for it, and to
>>> perform on someone else's clock. Not everyone has the dedication or the
>>> intestinal fortitude to compete, and I applaud those who do. I do not
>>> find anything _wrong_ with those who don't, but I applaud those who do.
>>>
>>> Clear enough for you?
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> I agree that MWS is a troll who is simply looking for arguments. My
>> opinion is not based on this single thread though, rather having watched
>> him disagree with almost everyone on every subject, apparently just for
>> the sake of it. Micheal Artindale did say some daft things in the early
>> days, and MWS started to pick on him as a result. However, MA seems to
>> have got more sensible and taken up swimming properly now, so should be
>> given a chance, but MWS won't relent. Like all bullies he likes to kick
>> someone he feels he can bully, so long as he can't be hurt himself. So
>> for 'troll' equally read 'bully' 'know-all' etc.
>> What MWS doesn't appreciate is that his behaviour simply leads people to
>> treat everything he says as nonsense, even if it isn't, and he ends up
>> destroying his own credibility rather than that of his victims.
>
> Well then, it's ok for Steve to make the kind of statements about
> competing that drive people away from masters swimming. A lot of potential
> swimmers don't come out because they think they will be pressured into
> competing. And, the fact is some masters coaches do apply that kind of
> pressure. Steve thinks it takes intestinal fortitude and dedication to
> train for competition, but apparently it doesn't take intestinal fortitude
> and dedication to do exactly the same training for fitness. You don't say
> anything about that nonsense. Nor did I attack Micheal, but here you are
> implying I did. That nonsense is ok too.

QED

Duncan Heenan

"mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:_OudnXTMgPQWcKzanZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:5pe3pvFqbrccU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> snip<
>>>>> Troll.
>>>>
>>>> This from the guy who said people who compete are better than those who
>>>> swim for fitness.
>>>
>>> Right. Let's review: I said "puts you ahead of ..." which you trolled
>>> into "a disgrace to swimming." I believe it takes a certain something
>>> to commit to a competition, to train for it, to show up for it, and to
>>> perform on someone else's clock. Not everyone has the dedication or the
>>> intestinal fortitude to compete, and I applaud those who do. I do not
>>> find anything _wrong_ with those who don't, but I applaud those who do.
>>>
>>> Clear enough for you?
>>>
>>> -S-
>>
>> I agree that MWS is a troll who is simply looking for arguments. My
>> opinion is not based on this single thread though, rather having watched
>> him disagree with almost everyone on every subject, apparently just for
>> the sake of it. Micheal Artindale did say some daft things in the early
>> days, and MWS started to pick on him as a result. However, MA seems to
>> have got more sensible and taken up swimming properly now, so should be
>> given a chance, but MWS won't relent. Like all bullies he likes to kick
>> someone he feels he can bully, so long as he can't be hurt himself. So
>> for 'troll' equally read 'bully' 'know-all' etc.
>> What MWS doesn't appreciate is that his behaviour simply leads people to
>> treat everything he says as nonsense, even if it isn't, and he ends up
>> destroying his own credibility rather than that of his victims.
>
> Well then, it's ok for Steve to make the kind of statements about
> competing that drive people away from masters swimming. A lot of potential
> swimmers don't come out because they think they will be pressured into
> competing. And, the fact is some masters coaches do apply that kind of
> pressure. Steve thinks it takes intestinal fortitude and dedication to
> train for competition, but apparently it doesn't take intestinal fortitude
> and dedication to do exactly the same training for fitness. You don't say
> anything about that nonsense. Nor did I attack Micheal, but here you are
> implying I did. That nonsense is ok too.

QED

mwsmith

Duncan Heenan wrote:
>
>
> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:_OudnXTMgPQWcKzanZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5pe3pvFqbrccU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> snip<
>>>>>> Troll.
>>>>>
>>>>> This from the guy who said people who compete are better than those
>>>>> who swim for fitness.
>>>>
>>>> Right. Let's review: I said "puts you ahead of ..." which you
>>>> trolled into "a disgrace to swimming." I believe it takes a certain
>>>> something to commit to a competition, to train for it, to show up
>>>> for it, and to perform on someone else's clock. Not everyone has
>>>> the dedication or the intestinal fortitude to compete, and I applaud
>>>> those who do. I do not find anything _wrong_ with those who don't,
>>>> but I applaud those who do.
>>>>
>>>> Clear enough for you?
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>
>>> I agree that MWS is a troll who is simply looking for arguments. My
>>> opinion is not based on this single thread though, rather having
>>> watched him disagree with almost everyone on every subject,
>>> apparently just for the sake of it. Micheal Artindale did say some
>>> daft things in the early days, and MWS started to pick on him as a
>>> result. However, MA seems to have got more sensible and taken up
>>> swimming properly now, so should be given a chance, but MWS won't
>>> relent. Like all bullies he likes to kick someone he feels he can
>>> bully, so long as he can't be hurt himself. So for 'troll' equally
>>> read 'bully' 'know-all' etc.
>>> What MWS doesn't appreciate is that his behaviour simply leads people
>>> to treat everything he says as nonsense, even if it isn't, and he
>>> ends up destroying his own credibility rather than that of his victims.
>>
>> Well then, it's ok for Steve to make the kind of statements about
>> competing that drive people away from masters swimming. A lot of
>> potential swimmers don't come out because they think they will be
>> pressured into competing. And, the fact is some masters coaches do
>> apply that kind of pressure. Steve thinks it takes intestinal
>> fortitude and dedication to train for competition, but apparently it
>> doesn't take intestinal fortitude and dedication to do exactly the
>> same training for fitness. You don't say anything about that nonsense.
>> Nor did I attack Micheal, but here you are implying I did. That
>> nonsense is ok too.
>
> QED

Just like Stewie. "Victory is mine!"