Evangelical Disconnect

bkaapcke

Sure, individual and organized acts of charity make you feel like you have atoned. I do it myself. However, the question I'm getting at, is "can ANYTHING atone for the horrors christianity has inflicted on mankind"? I don't think so. It's record is so depraved and disgusting that all credibility has been lost. bk

nns1400

That's the question you're getting at? I couldn't tell. You are on the verge of "troll" at this point....

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

Crankyfeet

Let's not judge history based on today's values. If we do that, then all Americans should hang their heads in shame at how they first treated the indigenous Indian tribes and return to where their ancestors emigrated from. (BTW same for Australia).

The blackest parts of Christianity's history occurred as a result of its politicization, the methods of the times, and the fears and sins of men in charge who thought they were acting in Christianity's best interests. It is not necessarily a representation of Christ's teaching, just as the leaders of Al Qaeda are not a representation of Allah and Mohommed.

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Billsworld

Islam doesnt teach peacefull coexistance with other religions. I havnt studied too much of it, but my wife is a convert from 30 years of being Muslim. Mohommed spred Islam by the sword and wasnt a peacefull chap.(wifes words)

Bro Deal

So what you are saying is that islam was spread the same way christianity was.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Crankyfeet

But the Koran instructs muslims to kill infidels, doesn't it? And it lauds its historic warrior leaders as heroes.

Christian killers were naughty deluded machiavelian means-to-an-end types that we now look back on with disdain (but as Christians, gladly accept the fruits ). And if you ignore much of the Old Testament, Christians shouldn't use violence.

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Billsworld

Your hatred of Christians blinds you from making any point at all.

Crankyfeet

No. I think his point was very succinctly made and very poignant. You made a negative judgment about Islam, but failed to see the irony that Christianity has also a history of brutality and sword wheeling.

Are you not familiar with this history? Its not something that it is taught in Sunday School or church obviously. You have to read about it in history books. Christianity, like all nations and large organizations, tries to ignore its sordid past, in an attempt to bury it and forget it.

But I do hear your point that in present day doctrine, Islam is more aggressively violent than Christianity, though Muslims may disagree.

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Crankyfeet

Actually there isn't anything to atone for. I'm technically a Catholic, and I got forgiveness from the big "G" himself about these ancestoral sins some 20 years ago in the confessional box.

And nns1400 is probably a Protestant and they had nothing to do with the Crusades or the Inquisition so she's golden.

But if you are depressed because no one will give you an apology, I suggest you join a therapy group or something. The first step is admitting you have a problem.

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Bro Deal

Oh, come on. You don't see the irony of a christian criticizing the the way islam was spread?

It's like Dubya criticizing Saddam.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Crankyfeet

WTF? Sword wheeling?? Its "sword wielding" you jerk.

See Bro, this is an example of why Aussie's can never be smart.

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Billsworld

I guess you need to ask youself if Christ would have been ok with the crusades etc..And then ask the man that "invented" Islam (and had several wives including a 13 year old )if he would approve of 911. No and yes. The failures of individuals to act properly and the failure in doctrine are separate issues. I dont believe that Islam is a peacefull religion. ....If we have spelling police now , I better stop here.

Bro Deal

It doesn't matter what people claim they believe. It only matters how they actually behave. Despite all that Marxists claimed to believe, the reality turned out quite a bit different. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all have murderous histories that continue to this day. They are bad fruit from a poisoned tree.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

bkaapcke

Peoples actual beliefs are reflected in what they do. Watch what they do and you can infer their beliefs and thoughts from that. The 'professed' belief is just what they want you to hear. The sales hype, spin or operative delusion.

This is why I think the history of christian behavior completely damns the creed. Either the creed leads them to commit the bad behavior, or it has no salutory effect on their behavior. In both cases, the creed is just yesterdays garbage that should be thrown out before the reek becomes unbearable. bk