Evangelical Disconnect

garage sale GT

Well, I guess you got me. I don't know.

Why however are we assuming it must have been that way if any of this is valid?

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garage sale GT

Why?

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Crankyfeet

So where do you draw the line on "same genetic stock"? Was there a race that was too genetically divergent thatr Jesus wouldn't have cared for?

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garage sale GT

Is alcohol intrinsically evil? And what does Hebrew have to do with it?

I think they mean both Divine and Human, silly.

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Crankyfeet

Because if Jesus was the one "GOOD", he wouldn't have needed to make the statement or question the label that the person had given him. The statement only has meaning if the label of Jesus being "good' is incorrect, and he is pointing it out.

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garage sale GT

You are the one who is inferring it was a racial issue. What line are you asking me to draw?

If they are from the same stock, Then it wasn't racial.

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Crankyfeet

Okay... so what you are saying is that he only demurred initially to make a point, but he was always going to heal her child?

That is an acceptable interpretation I guess, but it still begs the question of why he only healed people who asked him. Did he discriminate on the basis of manners or forthrightness? I thought it was "Blessed are the meek". Wouldn't a meek person possibly bow their head when Jesus passed and not ask for a miracle for their own benefit?

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Crankyfeet

I thought you were quoting the English version and questioning the interpretation of it. The English version of the Bible loses meaning in its translation from Hebrew/Aramaic. Anyone who has studied language knows that accurate meanings are quite often impossible to translate from one language to another. Furthermore the Bible went through a Greek edition I believe, then a Roman one. I'm not even sure if the King James version was translated from the original Hebrew/Aramaic one. Someone may be able to help me on that. But remember that Jesus' quotes and Peter's letters were not written/spoken in English.

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Crankyfeet

It's a drug. That alters your mind. Who decides what drugs are evil? The politicians? Is getting addicted to heroine a sin? If it is, why is that different from alcohol in God's eyes? Is there some line in the sand in God's Law that differentiates between good recreational drugs and bad ones? Or are all recreational drugs not sinful because God never said they were? In fact, is any act not sinful (okay to do) if it is not on the Ten Commandments, or mentioned as a sinful act in the Bible?

And on the subject of the Ten Commandments, which is the correct one? The Jewish one (Moses was a Jew and they had possession of them first) or the Christian one? I understand that they are not the same.

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garage sale GT

All three of the verses you quoted appear to describe the same incident. A young man demands salvation but isn't called by the Father to believe Jesus is Lord. He also won't do what Jesus chooses to require of him. Why, I don't know but I don't see a shred of basis for your assertion that Jesus should have answered in the way you feel he should have. Maybe the point is that Jesus, being Lord, knew his heart and knew he wasn't really serious.

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garage sale GT

You claimed the gospels described our Lord as a drunk, when they merely relate that some people who are presented as hypocrites claimed he was a drunk on a very thin pretext. Wine was simply a common drink back then. Water could and did make people sick.

To say one is a drunk is vastly different from saying some hypocrites falsely criticized someone for being a drunk. I don't think you need a postgraduate degree in Hebrew to differentiate between the two statements.

Incidentally, St. Jerome was quite skilled with Greek and Hebrew, as well as having access to texts which later vanished and a knowledge of beliefs about Christ in the ancient world.

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garage sale GT

They won't be the same between two different versions of the bible either, but the gist is largely the same.

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Felt_Rider

Thank you and I understand your sentiment. I was there once myself.

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People who are always happy annoy me.

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