Evangelical Disconnect

Crankyfeet

Now you're mixing posts. The Faux news post quote was:

Where is the reference in this post to countries being invaded?


And in reference to his "countries being invaded" post, he was probably referring to Afghanistan and Iraq, since they are the two countries Dubya has invaded. But you chose to discuss the SINGULAR country Iraq.

You really can't let this go can you?...

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garage sale GT

Oh, look at that. Our arguing has broken the site. It placed my reply just before the post I was replying to.

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Crankyfeet

No... the nice duck is you avoiding condemning the invason of Iraq as being unchristian when asked to give your opinion.

But you have effectively displayed in here that your answer isn't even worth waiting for... so don't worry about it.

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Crankyfeet

No... you can blame that on me. I accidently deleted the post when I was editing it and had to repost it.

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garage sale GT

Actually, I was arguing the point that the war was not a crusade against Islam. Whether the coalition was too hasty or too careless or not justified enough by real or perceived threats is not germane to my point.

I guess I don't know why the Popes, the Archbishop of Canterbury, or the Methodists condemn the war, but I don't believe they take the position that it is a war unjustifiably inspired by religious motives. I believe they would probably say we were too hasty, too careless, or not justified enough by the real or perceived threat by our fellow men the Iraquis.

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limerickman

So you deduced that Brodeal was referring to Iraq.

I'll take that as an admission that you now accept that Brodeal never mentioned Iraq and that it was you who intorduced Iraq to the discussion.





.........and as for the accuracy of your deductions, your country also invaded Afghanistan.
Another Muslim country.

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garage sale GT

I think you mean it dawned on you we were talking about Iraq when I spelled it out.

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garage sale GT

Al-quaeda was based in and supported by Afghanistan, and they attacked us. Killed 3,000 people in New York.

So how is it included in Bro Deal's comment about a crusade?

How is it not legitimate self-defense?

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TheDarkLord

Who created, trained and armed the Taliban, Al Quaeda, etc in the first place?

garage sale GT

The Taliban was created by Talibs.

(And the Afghan people in response to lawlessness, even if some of them may feel they got more order than they bargained for.)

Al-Quaeda was created by people like us, because "Al-Quaeda" means "the message board".

For your information, many states sponsor terrorist groups like Al-Quaeda. It's not as if they couldn't have gotten money and training elsewhere.

Hmmm...perhaps when the Soviets were invading Afghanistan, the CIA trained bright young Afghanis how to fly airliners?

Perhaps a rich guy like Osama couldn't have afforded to buy military expertise without the US, especially after the fall of the Soviet Union?

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TheDarkLord

Oh, don't be so patronising. Sure, the terrorist organizations are currently getting money and training elsewhere, but the point is that the US is largely fighting monsters that it created in the first place. BTW, this doesn't excuse all the civilian deaths in Afghanistan.

garage sale GT

Why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea if you think we should have let the Soviets take over the world? To Osama and to you I say, so much for gratitude.

What would the cost of not helping the Mujaheddin been?

Insurgent fighters are ex Iraqui army (yes partly our fault) and partly young educated Arabs from outside Iraq who choose to go fight holy war. So their training had next to nothing to do with us, and they were too young and in the wrong place to be ex-Mujaheddin.

And I guess you think that unless the US helped, there is no way 19 terrorists couldn't obtain the funding and planning to learn to fly airliners, from the time the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan until 2001. Maybe they're all a bunch of knuckleheads.

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TheDarkLord

Ok, there is no point arguing with you, and you have missed the point entirely. I'm out of here.

stevebaby

Actually,the bombers were Saudis and Egyptians...US allies I believe.

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