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11-11.-2007, 01:31 AM
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Re: Are swim training aids good or bad?
On Nov 7, 10:47 am, "Pat" <Or...@starrynight.com> wrote:
> Today at the pool, a young woman arrived with all sorts of pool toys. She > did a few laps prior to put on the various training aids, and I noticed that > their use seemed to dictate her stroke. > > For example, she was swimming the front crawl with her arms coming over her > head straight and her hands slapping the water upon entry. When she put on > the hand paddles, this is exactly how she slapped the water. With her arm > straight out, there was no extension under the water after her hand entered. > > Her feet, as she kicked, showed her heels above the water. When she put on > her long swim fins, that was duplicated exactly. > > She carried her head completely out of the water--neither ear was in the > water when she breathed. > > So, did the long fins cause her to swim with her heels coming out of the > water? Is this correct form? Did the hand paddles lead to the > arm-completely-stretched-out entry of her hand into the water? Her thumb was > entering first, but her hand wasn't tilted down--just flat. > > It is so rare that I see somebody at the pool with all of these pool toys > that I thought she must be a competitive college swimmer just using this > pool because it is less crowded. Now, I am beginning to wonder. > > Is she doing it right? > > Pat in TX Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly they should be flying by me. Andres |
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11-11.-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: Are swim training aids good or bad?
> > Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just > putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a > waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand > paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way > back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to > your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly > during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and > glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when > I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a > particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing > on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or > handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly > they should be flying by me. > > Andres Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks like a jerky motion to me. Pat in TX > |
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11-11.-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: Are swim training aids good or bad?
> > Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just > putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a > waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand > paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way > back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to > your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly > during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and > glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when > I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a > particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing > on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or > handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly > they should be flying by me. > > Andres Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks like a jerky motion to me. Pat in TX > |
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11-11.-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: Are swim training aids good or bad?
> > Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just > putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a > waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand > paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way > back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to > your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly > during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and > glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when > I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a > particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing > on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or > handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly > they should be flying by me. > > Andres Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks like a jerky motion to me. Pat in TX > |
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12-11.-2007, 02:51 PM
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Re: Are swim training aids good or bad?
On Nov 10, 6:04 pm, "Pat" <Or...@starrynight.com> wrote:
> > Using aids requires that you know what you are using the for. Just > > putting an aid and stroking w/o using it for the appropriate need is a > > waste. Aids can improve a feature or make something worse. Take hand > > paddles for example, they can work on forcing a good pull all the way > > back and increasing resistance. B and giving you a good workout to > > your lats. But that requires that you position the hands properly > > during the pull and that you also do an appropriate recovery and > > glide. Otherwise, they are useless. I rarely swim with aids, but when > > I swim, my speed improves considerably because aids will enhance a > > particular feature of the stroke. I often swim distance with nothing > > on. There are often people swimming next to me with finds or > > handpadles that move way slower than me. With those aids used properly > > they should be flying by me. > > > Andres > > Funny you should mention "good pull all the way back" because lately I have > been seeing several swimmers (all men) who abruptly bend their elbows and > stop their pull when the hand reaches the nipple area. That is, they only > pull until their hands get to the nipple and then they bend the elbow and > lift the arm back up out of the water. Was this taught at one time? It looks > like a jerky motion to me. > > Pat in TX > > I doubt that it was ever taught. Your hand should keep pulling water all the way to your hip. The further back you pull, the more that you bend your wrist to keep the hand facing backwards. There are paddles designed to force the hand to face back and keep pulling water back. The only hold the hand from the middle finger and the wrist. So they are rather loose fitting. When you pull, the water keeps the paddles pressing against your hand. If you stop pulling before the paddle comes out of the water, there is not enough pressure to keep the paddle stuck to your hand so you have to hold it with your thumb and pinky. otherwise it feels sort of loose. The paddles force you to keep pulling all the way back and keep your palms facing backwards until the hand exits the water. They are good paddles because they give you a good feel for the water. Now there are some very large paddles that give you great feel for the water because they have very large surface area. They kick your ass though. they feel like lifting weights. However, you have to get the glide and pull right. Otherwise, they are useless. the same thing goes for fins. If you bend your knees too much and bang the surface of the water with the fin, there is not much use in that. On the other hand, if you use the fin to displace water and propel your forward, you get a great feel for the kick, but they should also kick your butt. Andres Andres Andres |
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