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On Nov 9, 6:53 pm, "Micheal Artindale" <michealartind...@eastlink.ca>
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> >>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
> >>>>>> Here are the 2 videos
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> >>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxNDgUhLg 50 free
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> >>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zI4CtXMus100IM
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> >>>>>> Pick away at it, I know some of my faults
> >>>>> I didn't see anything to pick at, except your crawlstroke shortens up
> >>>>> when you get tired. You have to be mindful of reaching out on each
> >>>>> stroke.
>
> >>>> Thanks, I do know that I do that, it is tring to keep reaching.
>
> >>>> Micheal
>
> >>> You look a little flat in the water too. I don't see much shoulder
> >>> rotation, for example. And, of course, you need to learn to do a flip
> >>> turn.
>
> >> With regards to my flip turns, they are so horrible that they do not make
> >> my turns faster. I will be working on them.
>
> >> Micheal
>
> > The best advice ever given me about flip turns was simple - do them always
> > in front crawl, don't do any open turns, and you'll get better. I took a
> > flip turn clinic at my local Y, and that's what the teacher told me after
> > I complained that I could sort of do a flip turn and hadn't gotten better
> > in the last year. He asked how often I did them, and I said a few times a
> > practice. Once I started doing them in all my front crawl, they got much
> > better.
>
> So, no matter how bad it is, just do them and nothing else when I turn in
> free?
>
> That will be fun....
>
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Yes, just doing them helps quite a bit, but without good technique,
you could end up crashing into the lane lines or coming up in the next
lane. To improve your flip turns, do nothing but flip turns in
freestyle for a couple weeks. It may be embarrassing, but it is worth
it.

When you have good flip turn fitness, pay for a private flip turn
lesson. Even among advanced competitive swimmers, there seem to be
2 schools of flip turn.

A. You get near the edge and follow the leading arm into the turn.

B. One arm waits down at your side for the other to catch it, then
with both palms facing forward, you bend your elbows as if you were
trying to throw the water up and behind you. This helps pull you into
your turn quickly and straight.

Make sure that the instructor is one who will teach you method B, as
Mark P suggests.

Taking apart your flip turn and practicing each part in succession is
helpful. You generally can't do that at workout. If you are trying
to do this on your own without an instructor, here is a progression of
steps.

1) Stand in the water with arms at your side and palms facing
forward. Bend your elbows, throwing the water up and behind you.
2) Use this technique to help you do a flip in place in the water,
starting and ending facing the same direction.
3) Try it swimming into the wall and pushing off the wall coming up on
your back.
4) Once you are good at this, add turning on to your front after you
push off the wall.

--Betsy

Pat

"KV" <kvaughn3@verizon.net> wrote in message
newsn7Zi.1558$CI1.849@trnddc03...
>I noticed you breathe from the right side. I always breathe from the left.
>I assume I started that way when I was a kid, and it is so ingrained I
>can't change it without focused thought. I only bring this up because I am
>trying to breathe with equal comfort from both sides for open water swims
>in triathlons-I'm thinking there might be times when waves/currents would
>make it more prudent to breathe from the right side. Anybody have any
>suggestions? I've been doing pool work and try to throw in right side
>breaths, but it sends my form all to hell-I'm actually pausing to turn my
>head and breathe. It just feels counterintuitive.

I learned to breathe on both sides by counting 1-2-3-breathe until I fell
into the rhythm of it. Now, it seems natural. Oh--and make sure you aren't
lifting your head to breathe, but merely swiveling it to the side. Time
spent lifting the head out of the water and returning it to the water can
get you out of sync.

Pat in TX

Pat

"KV" <kvaughn3@verizon.net> wrote in message
newsn7Zi.1558$CI1.849@trnddc03...
>I noticed you breathe from the right side. I always breathe from the left.
>I assume I started that way when I was a kid, and it is so ingrained I
>can't change it without focused thought. I only bring this up because I am
>trying to breathe with equal comfort from both sides for open water swims
>in triathlons-I'm thinking there might be times when waves/currents would
>make it more prudent to breathe from the right side. Anybody have any
>suggestions? I've been doing pool work and try to throw in right side
>breaths, but it sends my form all to hell-I'm actually pausing to turn my
>head and breathe. It just feels counterintuitive.

I learned to breathe on both sides by counting 1-2-3-breathe until I fell
into the rhythm of it. Now, it seems natural. Oh--and make sure you aren't
lifting your head to breathe, but merely swiveling it to the side. Time
spent lifting the head out of the water and returning it to the water can
get you out of sync.

Pat in TX

Pat

"KV" <kvaughn3@verizon.net> wrote in message
newsn7Zi.1558$CI1.849@trnddc03...
>I noticed you breathe from the right side. I always breathe from the left.
>I assume I started that way when I was a kid, and it is so ingrained I
>can't change it without focused thought. I only bring this up because I am
>trying to breathe with equal comfort from both sides for open water swims
>in triathlons-I'm thinking there might be times when waves/currents would
>make it more prudent to breathe from the right side. Anybody have any
>suggestions? I've been doing pool work and try to throw in right side
>breaths, but it sends my form all to hell-I'm actually pausing to turn my
>head and breathe. It just feels counterintuitive.

I learned to breathe on both sides by counting 1-2-3-breathe until I fell
into the rhythm of it. Now, it seems natural. Oh--and make sure you aren't
lifting your head to breathe, but merely swiveling it to the side. Time
spent lifting the head out of the water and returning it to the water can
get you out of sync.

Pat in TX

Ian Emmett

Micheal Artindale wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> news:5pkjs5Frlbl2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>> news:rW4Zi.11316$8S5.9918@edtnps82...
>>> "Mark P" <usenet@fall2005REMOVE.fastmailCAPS.fm> wrote in message
>>> news:0Q4Zi.3504$852.81@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>>>> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OOSdnQx0dL34Sa7aRVnyhAA@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>>>>>> Here are the 2 videos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxNDgUhLg 50 free
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zI4CtXMus 100IM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pick away at it, I know some of my faults
>>>>>> I didn't see anything to pick at, except your crawlstroke shortens up
>>>>>> when you get tired. You have to be mindful of reaching out on each
>>>>>> stroke.
>>>>> Thanks, I do know that I do that, it is tring to keep reaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>> You look a little flat in the water too. I don't see much shoulder
>>>> rotation, for example. And, of course, you need to learn to do a flip
>>>> turn.
>>> With regards to my flip turns, they are so horrible that they do not make
>>> my turns faster. I will be working on them.
>>>
>>> Micheal
>> The best advice ever given me about flip turns was simple - do them always
>> in front crawl, don't do any open turns, and you'll get better. I took a
>> flip turn clinic at my local Y, and that's what the teacher told me after
>> I complained that I could sort of do a flip turn and hadn't gotten better
>> in the last year. He asked how often I did them, and I said a few times a
>> practice. Once I started doing them in all my front crawl, they got much
>> better.
>
> So, no matter how bad it is, just do them and nothing else when I turn in
> free?
>
> That will be fun....
>
> Micheal
>
>

Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)

Ian

Ian Emmett

Micheal Artindale wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> news:5pkjs5Frlbl2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>> news:rW4Zi.11316$8S5.9918@edtnps82...
>>> "Mark P" <usenet@fall2005REMOVE.fastmailCAPS.fm> wrote in message
>>> news:0Q4Zi.3504$852.81@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>>>> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OOSdnQx0dL34Sa7aRVnyhAA@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>>>>>> Here are the 2 videos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxNDgUhLg 50 free
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zI4CtXMus 100IM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pick away at it, I know some of my faults
>>>>>> I didn't see anything to pick at, except your crawlstroke shortens up
>>>>>> when you get tired. You have to be mindful of reaching out on each
>>>>>> stroke.
>>>>> Thanks, I do know that I do that, it is tring to keep reaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>> You look a little flat in the water too. I don't see much shoulder
>>>> rotation, for example. And, of course, you need to learn to do a flip
>>>> turn.
>>> With regards to my flip turns, they are so horrible that they do not make
>>> my turns faster. I will be working on them.
>>>
>>> Micheal
>> The best advice ever given me about flip turns was simple - do them always
>> in front crawl, don't do any open turns, and you'll get better. I took a
>> flip turn clinic at my local Y, and that's what the teacher told me after
>> I complained that I could sort of do a flip turn and hadn't gotten better
>> in the last year. He asked how often I did them, and I said a few times a
>> practice. Once I started doing them in all my front crawl, they got much
>> better.
>
> So, no matter how bad it is, just do them and nothing else when I turn in
> free?
>
> That will be fun....
>
> Micheal
>
>

Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)

Ian

Ian Emmett

Micheal Artindale wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> news:5pkjs5Frlbl2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Micheal Artindale" <michealartindale@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>> news:rW4Zi.11316$8S5.9918@edtnps82...
>>> "Mark P" <usenet@fall2005REMOVE.fastmailCAPS.fm> wrote in message
>>> news:0Q4Zi.3504$852.81@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>>>> "mwsmith" <nowhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OOSdnQx0dL34Sa7aRVnyhAA@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>>>>>> Here are the 2 videos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxNDgUhLg 50 free
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zI4CtXMus 100IM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pick away at it, I know some of my faults
>>>>>> I didn't see anything to pick at, except your crawlstroke shortens up
>>>>>> when you get tired. You have to be mindful of reaching out on each
>>>>>> stroke.
>>>>> Thanks, I do know that I do that, it is tring to keep reaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micheal
>>>> You look a little flat in the water too. I don't see much shoulder
>>>> rotation, for example. And, of course, you need to learn to do a flip
>>>> turn.
>>> With regards to my flip turns, they are so horrible that they do not make
>>> my turns faster. I will be working on them.
>>>
>>> Micheal
>> The best advice ever given me about flip turns was simple - do them always
>> in front crawl, don't do any open turns, and you'll get better. I took a
>> flip turn clinic at my local Y, and that's what the teacher told me after
>> I complained that I could sort of do a flip turn and hadn't gotten better
>> in the last year. He asked how often I did them, and I said a few times a
>> practice. Once I started doing them in all my front crawl, they got much
>> better.
>
> So, no matter how bad it is, just do them and nothing else when I turn in
> free?
>
> That will be fun....
>
> Micheal
>
>

Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)

Ian

fraymollo@gmail.com

>
> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>
> Ian

Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.

fraymollo@gmail.com

>
> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>
> Ian

Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.

fraymollo@gmail.com

>
> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>
> Ian

Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.

mwsmith

fraymollo@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
>> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
>> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>>
>> Ian
>
> Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
> from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.

I agree. For now, just force yourself to do flip turns during your
warmup swim at each workout. No pressure, no failure if you miss the
wall. But it will be valuable practice.

And don't worry too much about all the fine points that have been
mentioned. Just work on lengthening your crawlstroke for now. Be mindful
of each stroke,especially as you get tired. When you can swim a whole
workout with a good strong reach, the body roll will come pretty
naturally and your head won't rise.

mwsmith

fraymollo@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
>> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
>> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>>
>> Ian
>
> Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
> from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.

I agree. For now, just force yourself to do flip turns during your
warmup swim at each workout. No pressure, no failure if you miss the
wall. But it will be valuable practice.

And don't worry too much about all the fine points that have been
mentioned. Just work on lengthening your crawlstroke for now. Be mindful
of each stroke,especially as you get tired. When you can swim a whole
workout with a good strong reach, the body roll will come pretty
naturally and your head won't rise.

mwsmith

fraymollo@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
>> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
>> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>>
>> Ian
>
> Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
> from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.

I agree. For now, just force yourself to do flip turns during your
warmup swim at each workout. No pressure, no failure if you miss the
wall. But it will be valuable practice.

And don't worry too much about all the fine points that have been
mentioned. Just work on lengthening your crawlstroke for now. Be mindful
of each stroke,especially as you get tired. When you can swim a whole
workout with a good strong reach, the body roll will come pretty
naturally and your head won't rise.

congokid

In article <u%6Zi.53475$RX.15803@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, Mark P
<usenet@fall2005REMOVE.fastmailCAPS.fm> writes

>Well here's one tip which I think resolves a lot of problems
>experienced by beginners. You have to approach the wall before you
>start the flip with your hands down at your sides (as opposed to ahead
>of you in a streamlined position). This is necessary so that you can
>then swing your arms up and over your head to drive the rotation of
>your body.

I taught myself to flip turn a couple of years ago while on holiday. The
pool at my rented villa was only about 12m long, but that was big enough
and I could practice all day long if I wanted.

I've since refined the turn, picking up tips from this newsgroup and
videos to try and streamline it. I try to keep both arms straight and at
my sides in the approach, with palms flat and facing up to maximise
leverage during the turn, duck my head down to begin the turn, and I
also try a butterfly kick somewhere in there to add momentum, while also
preparing for the twist to right myself again.

Most times it turns out OK and happens quickly, leaving me in a good
orientation with both feet well positioned to push off strongly from the
wall. Occasionally something's not quite right and the turn seems to
take forever. In the shallow end of the pool I use, I'm sometimes a bit
close to the bottom and even touch it, but that's relatively rare. Even
in about 3' of water I can usually do an OK turn.

The only problem I have is not being able to see the wall. The pool's
lane markers used to continue up the end walls, but this summer the
council refurbished the pool and changing rooms, and although the lane
markings are still there on the bottom of the pool, the tiles on the end
walls have been covered over with some kind of waterproof cement. It can
be difficult to judge exactly when to begin a turn if you don't know
where the wall is.
--
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