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mwsmith

congokid wrote:

> I try to keep both arms straight and at
> my sides in the approach, with palms flat and facing up to maximise
> leverage during the turn, duck my head down to begin the turn, and I
> also try a butterfly kick somewhere in there to add momentum, while also
> preparing for the twist to right myself again.

I'm having a hard time seeing how this could be advantageous. By now,
after too many years to count, I almost always "time" my arrival at the
wall so that I am reaching forward with my right hand. I go into my turn
on that stroke. My head follows my right arm down, and I tumble over,
bending my neck, my waist, and my knees, in that order. But I only ever
have both arms at my side, palms up, if I badly misjudge my approach to
the wall. I almost always follow my stroke into the turn.

andresmuro@aol.com

On Nov 11, 12:56 pm, mwsmith <nowh...@nomail.com> wrote:
> congokid wrote:
> > I try to keep both arms straight and at
> > my sides in the approach, with palms flat and facing up to maximise
> > leverage during the turn, duck my head down to begin the turn, and I
> > also try a butterfly kick somewhere in there to add momentum, while also
> > preparing for the twist to right myself again.
>
> I'm having a hard time seeing how this could be advantageous. By now,
> after too many years to count, I almost always "time" my arrival at the
> wall so that I am reaching forward with my right hand. I go into my turn
> on that stroke. My head follows my right arm down, and I tumble over,
> bending my neck, my waist, and my knees, in that order. But I only ever
> have both arms at my side, palms up, if I badly misjudge my approach to
> the wall. I almost always follow my stroke into the turn.

As described by besty below, both approaches are used. I used to flip
the way you describe when I was first taught to flip. Later on I was
taught to complete the whole arm stroke before a flip, having both
arms by my sides. Supposedly, when I flip, the arms stay in the same
position and my body flips. Hence, when I finish flipping, my arms are
facing froward in an aerodynamic position. what happens is that I move
my arms a bit, but they essentially stay on my sides going into the
flip and facing forward as I finish the flip. Also, going into the
flip as I finish my pull gives me more momentum to flip. I found the
arms on the side flip more effective for me than the flip that follows
the leading hand. I've seen videos of the top swimmers and they all
seem to do the arms on the side flip.

Andres

mwsmith

andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Nov 11, 12:56 pm, mwsmith <nowh...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> congokid wrote:
>>> I try to keep both arms straight and at
>>> my sides in the approach, with palms flat and facing up to maximise
>>> leverage during the turn, duck my head down to begin the turn, and I
>>> also try a butterfly kick somewhere in there to add momentum, while also
>>> preparing for the twist to right myself again.
>> I'm having a hard time seeing how this could be advantageous. By now,
>> after too many years to count, I almost always "time" my arrival at the
>> wall so that I am reaching forward with my right hand. I go into my turn
>> on that stroke. My head follows my right arm down, and I tumble over,
>> bending my neck, my waist, and my knees, in that order. But I only ever
>> have both arms at my side, palms up, if I badly misjudge my approach to
>> the wall. I almost always follow my stroke into the turn.
>
> As described by besty below, both approaches are used. I used to flip
> the way you describe when I was first taught to flip. Later on I was
> taught to complete the whole arm stroke before a flip, having both
> arms by my sides. Supposedly, when I flip, the arms stay in the same
> position and my body flips. Hence, when I finish flipping, my arms are
> facing froward in an aerodynamic position.

My arms are in the right position as well.

> what happens is that I move
> my arms a bit, but they essentially stay on my sides going into the
> flip and facing forward as I finish the flip. Also, going into the
> flip as I finish my pull gives me more momentum to flip. I found the
> arms on the side flip more effective for me than the flip that follows
> the leading hand. I've seen videos of the top swimmers and they all
> seem to do the arms on the side flip.

Well, I won't argue with that.

Ian Emmett

fraymollo@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
>> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
>> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>>
>> Ian
>
> Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
> from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.
>


Doesn't mean I can't say it

Ian Emmett

mwsmith wrote:
> fraymollo@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head slightly to
>>> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
>>> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>>>
>>> Ian
>>
>> Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
>> from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.
>
> I agree. For now, just force yourself to do flip turns during your
> warmup swim at each workout. No pressure, no failure if you miss the
> wall. But it will be valuable practice.
>
> And don't worry too much about all the fine points that have been
> mentioned. Just work on lengthening your crawlstroke for now. Be mindful
> of each stroke,especially as you get tired. When you can swim a whole
> workout with a good strong reach, the body roll will come pretty
> naturally and your head won't rise.

Fine Points ??
Sorry but raising the head is a fundamental mistake when learning crawl.

mwsmith

Ian Emmett wrote:
> mwsmith wrote:
>> fraymollo@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Hi... one thing I picked up on is you tend to lift your head
>>>> slightly to
>>>> breathe. You can see that this is slowing you down. Flip turns would
>>>> knock about 5 seconds off of your time too.. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>
>>> Flip turns won't knock anything. He even doesn't know how to push off
>>> from the walls in a streamline position. Flip turns can wait.
>>
>> I agree. For now, just force yourself to do flip turns during your
>> warmup swim at each workout. No pressure, no failure if you miss the
>> wall. But it will be valuable practice.
>>
>> And don't worry too much about all the fine points that have been
>> mentioned. Just work on lengthening your crawlstroke for now. Be
>> mindful of each stroke,especially as you get tired. When you can swim
>> a whole workout with a good strong reach, the body roll will come
>> pretty naturally and your head won't rise.
>
> Fine Points ??
> Sorry but raising the head is a fundamental mistake when learning crawl.

I said it will go away when he begins reaching forward properly.

congokid

In article <uLKdnXrrY9gIw6ranZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@giganews.com>, mwsmith
<nowhere@nomail.com> writes
>congokid wrote:
>
>> I try to keep both arms straight and at my sides in the approach,
>>with palms flat and facing up to maximise leverage during the turn,
>>duck my head down to begin the turn, and I also try a butterfly kick
>>somewhere in there to add momentum, while also preparing for the
>>twist to right myself again.
>
>I'm having a hard time seeing how this could be advantageous.

I don't know whether it is or not - I just felt that's how I do it.
Having put it into practice at a local pool this afternoon, I'm not so
certain.

> By now, after too many years to count, I almost always "time" my
>arrival at the wall so that I am reaching forward with my right hand. I
>go into my turn on that stroke. My head follows my right arm down,

There's an old guy at my pool who appears to do that as well - but for
some reason his trailing arm pops up out of the water as he flips. Once
he finishes the flip, instead of twisting to continue front crawl, he
lapses into a double armed backstroke.

>and I tumble over, bending my neck, my waist, and my knees, in that
>order.

The problem there is that knees bend in the opposite direction to
everything else.
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mwsmith

mwsmith wrote:
> andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
>> On Nov 11, 12:56 pm, mwsmith <nowh...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>> congokid wrote:
>>>> I try to keep both arms straight and at
>>>> my sides in the approach, with palms flat and facing up to maximise
>>>> leverage during the turn, duck my head down to begin the turn, and I
>>>> also try a butterfly kick somewhere in there to add momentum, while
>>>> also
>>>> preparing for the twist to right myself again.
>>> I'm having a hard time seeing how this could be advantageous. By now,
>>> after too many years to count, I almost always "time" my arrival at the
>>> wall so that I am reaching forward with my right hand. I go into my turn
>>> on that stroke. My head follows my right arm down, and I tumble over,
>>> bending my neck, my waist, and my knees, in that order. But I only ever
>>> have both arms at my side, palms up, if I badly misjudge my approach to
>>> the wall. I almost always follow my stroke into the turn.
>>
>> As described by besty below, both approaches are used. I used to flip
>> the way you describe when I was first taught to flip. Later on I was
>> taught to complete the whole arm stroke before a flip, having both
>> arms by my sides. Supposedly, when I flip, the arms stay in the same
>> position and my body flips. Hence, when I finish flipping, my arms are
>> facing froward in an aerodynamic position.
>
> My arms are in the right position as well.

I take it back. I turn with both arms, just more often with my right.
But my head isn't following my arm. The tumble is part of the end of the
stroke. Hard to describe.

mwsmith

congokid wrote:

> The problem there is that knees bend in the opposite direction to
> everything else.

Angular direction? Mine don't.

neuron2@comcast.net

On Nov 8, 5:33 pm, "Micheal Artindale" <michealartind...@eastlink.ca>
wrote:
> Here are the 2 videos
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxNDgUhLg 50 free

You shouldn't breathe more that once or twice in a 50 sprint. You're
breathing on every stroke!

And to be outtouched by a girl...that must hurt.

mwsmith

neuron2@comcast.net wrote:
> On Nov 8, 5:33 pm, "Micheal Artindale" <michealartind...@eastlink.ca>
> wrote:
>> Here are the 2 videos
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxNDgUhLg 50 free
>
> You shouldn't breathe more that once or twice in a 50 sprint. You're
> breathing on every stroke!
>
> And to be outtouched by a girl...that must hurt.
>

Steve, aren't you going to call this guy a troll?

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