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19-11.-2007, 11:47 AM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
John Dawson wrote:
> It may be that my salt intake is on the > low side and that this is the cause of the problem but the medics are > constantly warning about excess salt consumption The problem, as I understand it, is *excess* salt consumption, something which is commonplace nowadays due to all the processed food that most people eat. But not everyone eats a lot of processed food. I don't anymore, so I see nothing wrong with adding a bit of salt to food now and again. Paul -- http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/ http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/ |
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19-11.-2007, 06:58 PM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
John Dawson wrote:
> There seems to be a wide misconception about why I want to take them > and how much I'm going to consume. Is there? The notices in the Grand Canyon are specifically to avoid salt tablets to try and solve problems generated by lack of salt *on a hike*. It's not in any way about dietary excess of salt! While it's true that the notices did not say specifically /why/, my guess is that the concentration from a salt tablet may not be a good way to get it in to your body (concentrations like that aren't natural and your guts haven't evolved to deal with them very well, part of why highly refined sugar isn't a great way to take on carbs when hiking). > inclined to add salt I may not need. I'm going to sub-Saharan Africa. > I have no idea what the food will be like, or what the salt content > will be, or whether I'll be able to add salt if I feel I need it. What > I want to avoid is being out in the mountains, suffering cramp, > knowing what the likely solution is, and not having it available when > I need it. If I don't suffer cramp I won't need to take any of the > tablets at all, but I'd like them available. Why not take some salty rations, which nobody is going out of their way posting notices to say it's a bad idea to use them? Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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19-11.-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message news:5qd1j9FvbjnrU1@mid.individual.net... > John Dawson wrote: > >> There seems to be a wide misconception about why I want to take them >> and how much I'm going to consume. > > Is there? > The notices in the Grand Canyon are specifically to avoid salt tablets > to try and solve problems generated by lack of salt *on a hike*. It's > not in any way about dietary excess of salt! > While it's true that the notices did not say specifically /why/, my > guess is that the concentration from a salt tablet may not be a good way > to get it in to your body (concentrations like that aren't natural and > your guts haven't evolved to deal with them very well, part of why > highly refined sugar isn't a great way to take on carbs when hiking). > >> inclined to add salt I may not need. I'm going to sub-Saharan Africa. >> I have no idea what the food will be like, or what the salt content >> will be, or whether I'll be able to add salt if I feel I need it. What >> I want to avoid is being out in the mountains, suffering cramp, >> knowing what the likely solution is, and not having it available when >> I need it. If I don't suffer cramp I won't need to take any of the >> tablets at all, but I'd like them available. > > Why not take some salty rations, which nobody is going out of their way > posting notices to say it's a bad idea to use them? Of course you could forget expensive rations, internet bought salt tablets et al. If it's just for emergencies why not take some...errr...salt out of the salt pot at home. Blindingly cheap!! -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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19-11.-2007, 10:38 PM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
Paul Saunders wrote:
> "Refined Salt: White Poison The problem with salt is not the salt itself > but the condition of the salt we eat! Our regular table salt no longer has > anything in common with the original crystal salt. Salt nowadays is mainly > sodium chloride and not salt. With the advent of industrial development, our > natural salt was "chemically cleaned" and reduced only to sodium and > chloride. Major producing companies dry their salt in huge kilns with > temperatures reaching 1200 degrees F, changing he salt's chemical structure, > which in turn adversely affects the human body. The common table salt we > use for cooking has only 2 or 3 chemical elements. The seawater has 84 > chemical elements. For our body to be healthy we need all those elements. > When we use the common salt, we are in deficit of 81 elements which means we > are somehow contributing to becoming weaker, imbalanced and more susceptible > to diseases. Use the seawater salt." > http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm > > Paul Now, what did you have to go and do that for? I had this lovely Weston and Armstrong bullshit detector, five-and-a-half jewels, gallium arsenide mirror, triple expansion; ruined! Needle's wrapped three times round the endstop . . . . . ;-) |
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19-11.-2007, 11:06 PM
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In message <13k30tjodi14e34@corp.supernews.com>, Alan Dicey
<alan@removethis.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> writes >Paul Saunders wrote: > >> "Refined Salt: White Poison The problem with salt is not the salt >>itself but the condition of the salt we eat! Our regular table salt no >>longer has anything in common with the original crystal salt. Salt >>nowadays is mainly sodium chloride and not salt. With the advent of >>industrial development, our natural salt was "chemically cleaned" and >>only to sodium and chloride. Major producing companies dry their salt >>in huge kilns with temperatures reaching 1200 degrees F, changing he >>salt's chemical structure, which in turn adversely affects the human >>body. The common table salt we use for cooking has only 2 or 3 >>chemical elements. The seawater has 84 chemical elements. For our >>body to be healthy we need all those elements. When we use the common >>salt, we are in deficit of 81 elements which means we are somehow >>contributing to becoming weaker, imbalanced and more susceptible to >>diseases. Use the seawater salt." >> http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm >> Paul > >Now, what did you have to go and do that for? I had this lovely Weston >and Armstrong bullshit detector, five-and-a-half jewels, gallium >arsenide mirror, triple expansion; ruined! Needle's wrapped three >times round the endstop . . . . . > >;-) I fear the web page http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm got 10 canards on the Quackometer at: http://www.quackometer.net The Black Duck says "The quacking noise is deafening. This web site is riddled with loosely defined terms and possibly pseudoscientific language with a quite a bit of alternative medicine flim flam. It is full of scientific jargon that is out of place and probably doesn't know the meaning of any of the terms. Using lots of physics terms like this rarely has any meaning outside of physics books. It shows little or no sceptical awareness and so should be treated with caution!" BTW I love the bit about the bullshit detector, I wish I'd said that. I probably will soon....... Regards, -- Neil Pugh |
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20-11.-2007, 01:14 AM
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Neil wrote:
>>> "Refined Salt: White Poison >>> http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm >> Now, what did you have to go and do that for? I had this lovely >> Weston and Armstrong bullshit detector, five-and-a-half jewels, >> gallium arsenide mirror, triple expansion; ruined! Needle's >> wrapped three times round the endstop . . . . . >> >> ;-) LOL! > I fear the web page http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm got > 10 canards on the Quackometer at: > http://www.quackometer.net Doesn't surprise me, there's a helluva lot of bullshit on that site. Have you seen the urine therapy page? Like I said, I don't know if any of the health benefits are true or not, but surely it makes sense that unprocessed sea salt is better for you than the processed variety? Same with pretty much all food, unprocessed is healthier. I doubt we need to go the Himalayas to get it though! Let's check the ingredients; Tesco table salt: Salt, Anti-Caking Agent (Sodium Hexacyanoferrate II) Geo Organics Atlantic Sea Salt: Contains: Magnesium 0.32%, Calcium 0.20% All else aside, the sea salt really tastes a lot nicer than the ordinary table salt. Paul -- http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/ http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk/weblog/ |
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20-11.-2007, 01:30 AM
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Paul Saunders wrote:
> Like I said, I don't know if any of the health benefits are true or not, but > surely it makes sense that unprocessed sea salt is better for you than the > processed variety? Same with pretty much all food, unprocessed is healthier. Up to a point... however, processed salt is crystalline sodium chloride, while "natural" salt is crystalline sodium chloride with impurites. This is rather different to the case with, say, sugar, where refined crystalline sucrose is a rather different prospect for your body than sugars occurring in fruit etc. > All else aside, the sea salt really tastes a lot nicer than the ordinary > table salt. Could be a textural thing. Try identical amounts by weight and dissolve thoroughly in half a packet of soup each, and then see if you can tell the difference. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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20-11.-2007, 01:32 AM
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"Paul Saunders" <pvs1@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:Bc2dnRGuA-GoNdzanZ2dnUVZ8saonZ2d@pipex.net... > Neil wrote: > >>>> "Refined Salt: White Poison >>>> http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm > >>> Now, what did you have to go and do that for? I had this lovely >>> Weston and Armstrong bullshit detector, five-and-a-half jewels, >>> gallium arsenide mirror, triple expansion; ruined! Needle's >>> wrapped three times round the endstop . . . . . >>> >>> ;-) > > LOL! > >> I fear the web page http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/salt.htm got >> 10 canards on the Quackometer at: >> http://www.quackometer.net > > Doesn't surprise me, there's a helluva lot of bullshit on that site. Have > you seen the urine therapy page? > > Like I said, I don't know if any of the health benefits are true or not, > but surely it makes sense that unprocessed sea salt is better for you than > the processed variety? Same with pretty much all food, unprocessed is > healthier. > > I doubt we need to go the Himalayas to get it though! > > Let's check the ingredients; > > Tesco table salt: > Salt, Anti-Caking Agent (Sodium Hexacyanoferrate II) > > Geo Organics Atlantic Sea Salt: > Contains: Magnesium 0.32%, Calcium 0.20% > > All else aside, the sea salt really tastes a lot nicer than the ordinary > table salt. > Yebbut - ordinary table salt is mined. The seas that laid this salt down were pristine sparkly clean phehistoric seas. Sea salt now comes out of the, well, sea and that's full of cr*p now. Give me ordinary salt any day! -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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20-11.-2007, 02:13 AM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:58:09 +0000, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: > >Why not take some salty rations, which nobody is going out of their way >posting notices to say it's a bad idea to use them? I don't like salty food. The only reason I eat salted crisps is because I like potatoes even less, but I have to eat something. I was expecting people to tell me they were a "bad thing", but since nobody's given me a good reason against substituting a packet of crisps with a salt tablet I'm perfectly happy to ignore them. Oh, and I've thought of taking some out of my kitchen salt cellar, and I may still do so, I just see it as less convenient. John D. -- John Dawson at home in Kendal, Cumbria. Lake District Walks Web Pages http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/ Sicilian Volcanoes at http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/sicily/ Pyrenees trek at http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/pyrenees |
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20-11.-2007, 03:48 AM
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:13:32 GMT, John Dawson <dont@even.ask.com>
wrote: >On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:58:09 +0000, Peter Clinch ><p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: > >> >>Why not take some salty rations, which nobody is going out of their way >>posting notices to say it's a bad idea to use them? > >I don't like salty food. The only reason I eat salted crisps is >because I like potatoes even less, but I have to eat something. I was >expecting people to tell me they were a "bad thing", but since >nobody's given me a good reason against substituting a packet of >crisps with a salt tablet I'm perfectly happy to ignore them. Oh, and >I've thought of taking some out of my kitchen salt cellar, and I may >still do so, I just see it as less convenient. > >John D. I dont like eating much when walking all day and often fancy something salty so find a small bag of crisps goes down very well with the geobar, banana and hot chocolate/mocha. Robert (North Lakes) Robert |
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20-11.-2007, 03:54 AM
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In message <Bc2dnRGuA-GoNdzanZ2dnUVZ8saonZ2d@pipex.net>, Paul Saunders
<pvs1@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> writes > >Doesn't surprise me, there's a helluva lot of bullshit on that site. Have >you seen the urine therapy page? > I hadn't really looked at the site in any detail before, it's truly terrifying! "Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective.... " Well they've stopped all those poor bastards dying of smallpox. I don't think I'm strong enough to look at the urine therapy page. > >All else aside, the sea salt really tastes a lot nicer than the ordinary >table salt. > I think we've got some in the cupboard. Not that we use much salt. Regards, -- Neil Pugh |
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20-11.-2007, 06:37 AM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
John Dawson <dont@even.ask.com> writes:
>I don't like salty food. The only reason I eat salted crisps is >because I like potatoes even less, but I have to eat something. You can probably find sweet snacks with a high enough salt content to do the job. Sweets/biscuits with caramel can be quite salty. Or make your own: http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/ma...lt-caramels.asp recipe at the bottom (never tried, just came across it  Roos |
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20-11.-2007, 06:38 PM
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John Dawson wrote:
> I don't like salty food. Then you won't like salt tablets even more! > because I like potatoes even less, but I have to eat something. I was > expecting people to tell me they were a "bad thing", but since > nobody's given me a good reason against substituting a packet of > crisps with a salt tablet I'm perfectly happy to ignore them. Does the US National Parks Service go up putting signs saying they're a Bad Idea for fun? Well, they /might/, but in the absence of a stated reason I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt... Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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20-11.-2007, 08:39 PM
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"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:5qfkr7Fvrj8iU2@mid.individual.net... > John Dawson wrote: > >> I don't like salty food. > > Then you won't like salt tablets even more! > >> because I like potatoes even less, but I have to eat something. I was >> expecting people to tell me they were a "bad thing", but since >> nobody's given me a good reason against substituting a packet of >> crisps with a salt tablet I'm perfectly happy to ignore them. > > Does the US National Parks Service go up putting signs saying they're a > Bad Idea for fun? Well, they /might/, but in the absence of a stated > reason I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt... > As I posted a while back - the Army decided many years ago that additional salt was NOT required even in the jungle, as long as a proper balanced diet was eaten and plenty of water drunk..... |
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20-11.-2007, 11:00 PM
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Re: Salt Tablets?
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:38:54 +0000, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >Does the US National Parks Service go up putting signs saying they're a >Bad Idea for fun? Well, they /might/, but in the absence of a stated >reason I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt... I thought the reason was obvious. You said the notice was about the dangers of dehydration. Taking salt when dehydrated can only further increase the salt content in the blood. I would have thought eating a tin of anchovies, a salty food you are appearing to suggest, would do far more damage in that situation than a one gramme salt tablet. Taking salt to "combat" dehydration was never what this thread was about. On the occasions I've suffered cramp there was no question of my being dehydrated. BTW I believe I've had a moment of inspiration this morning. The next time I'm in a self-service restaurant I'll pick up half a dozen salt sachets. That should be more than adequate. And, they're not tablets are they? John D. -- John Dawson at home in Kendal, Cumbria. Lake District Walks Web Pages http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/ Sicilian Volcanoes at http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/sicily/ Pyrenees trek at http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/pyrenees |
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