Tour De France: Living the Dream

Yojimbo_

After reading Helmut's posts and seeing how he has gone after this guy for no apparent reason, I wonder what Helmut is really like.

I mean, you don't go around talking to people like that in real life, do you? It's very easy to be rude and slag people behind the anonimity of the Internet, but not so hard to do it to people's faces in the real world. That is, if you want to keep all your teeth.

Do you still have all your teeth Helmut?

Eden

While I may disagree with the methods that Helmut used (being generally offensive) I can kind of see where he's coming from. So Discovery wasted time and money to bring us yet another reality show where they take a couple of people and drop them into a pretty fake situation and we get to watch them huff and puff up a hill....... It was probably pretty easy to make since the filmmakers were going to be there anyway, but why not get out there and follow some of the hundreds of people who are really going out and giving amateur racing a try? What would be wrong with actual reality as a reality show. It's not nearly as pretty as getting a bunch of free stuff from the Discovery team and it wouldn't attract those folks who might only watch just in case they might catch a glimpse of George Hincapie, but it might help give a little credibility to a sport that really needs some right now and maybe it might even give amateur cycling a little boost. It would be nice for it to be seen that there are real people, with real lives, going out and doing some real racing - we work hard too and we do it pretty much on our own.

If you are interested in something like that, support a local little documentary film maker instead of the big guy on the block and check out www.start2finishmovie.com This is one is real reality!
(here's a link to a trailer that works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ9jsiGLsAY )

Crankyfeet

I see your point Jimbo, but I don't think our OP is entirely lily white in his magnanimous attempt to support cycling. What irks me is when people come on this site and pose as innocent bystanders when in fact they have a vested interest in whatever they are pushing. It is pretty obvious to myself, Helmut and probably a lot of other people, that cyclingcyclone has a connection to this show and is using this forum to plug it without explaining his interest in it. My guess is that he is either one of the two amateurs chosen to ride in the show, or he is connected to the production and success of the show. The fact that he is aware of the program schedule a month in advance and is making his first posts under this handle on the forum, and that he has placed the same spam-like post in a number of other sub-forums here, tilts his hand IMO. This kind of "out-of-nowhere" advertising, using the anonymity of a supposed third-party membership on this forum, is the BS I really dislike. At least Helmut is known to everyone here after some 1600 posts.

Also, I have met Helmut, and he has all of his teeth, and whilst our torrid, passionate affair only lasted a week, I think he is a swell guy.

So cyclingcyclone...How ARE you connected to this show?

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helmutRoole2

Jimbo, are you threatening to beat me up over the Internet? Do I have to explain to your dumb ass why that's not possible?

And the "reason," which seems apparent to most people who've read the thread, as to why I'm "going after this guy" is because he/she is engaging in a deception.

Why didn't he/she just come on the forum, state who they were and open the floor for questions? Surely they would have taken some flack, but to pretend to be someone else was about as thought-out as your bone headed "...still have all your front teeth" statement.

What do you think my reaction to that type of statement is going to be, jimbo? Something like, "Oh dear, I can no longer travel to Canada because YoJimbo might beat me up," or "I have to hire extra security just in case YoJimbo decides to travel to Miami Beach and recognizes my avatar." This is shockingly stupid, even for someone like yourself. Resorting to the "You wanna take it outside" argument only shows that you've run out of ideas to express... and after what? Two posts?

Jimbo, to you I offer this advice: If you wanna get in a fight, go to a bar. If you want to look stupid, post something on an Internet forum.

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Yojimbo_

Yet another juvenile post from Helmut, except this time his rant is directed at me.

Helmut, you might want to re-read what I actually wrote instead of flying off the handle. All I did was ask if you get away with talking to people in real life the way you talk to people here. And I did it in an interesting and thought provoking manner - it was certainly interesting enough to get another rise out of you.

So what if the other posters are exactly what you think they are. How does that "hurt" you or anyone else around here? They said nothing to justify the vitriol you poured on them. This is a Cycling Forum after all, and they started a thread on a TV show about cycling.

Shame on you Helmut. You owe me and the other posters an apology, but I won't hold my breath, because I'm starting to think you are a very small man.

Prove me wrong.

helmutRoole2

Jimbo, unless you're soliciting a prostitute, asking someone if they still have their front teeth is an implied threat. Explain to me how you do not understand that?

By this reasoning then, why do you care about what I write, wrote or am writing now? Why do you care about what anyone writes on these forums.


Jimbo, haven't I made it clear that your opinion of me doesn't matter in the least.

Look, there are online personalities and there are off-line personalities. My online personality differs greatly from my off-line personality. Is that such a surprise? My avatar? Newflash for jimbo: That's not really me.

I have made up characters on this forum and pitted them against each other for the sole purpose of entertaining myself. I've fabricated stories and statistics, twisted facts to meet my own means and support truths that would otherwise be a lie. I've falsely stated that other forum members have made statements about other forum members' moms to see if they would intellectually joust each other. On this forum I've pulled all sorts of antics that I would never perpetrate in my off-line life. Does that make me a "small man?"

Well... It depends on what you mean by small man. If by small man you mean that I live in my parents' basement and spend my days doing nothing but eating junk food, sleeping all day and tormenting people on the Internet in my spare time, then no I am not a small man.

But, if by small man you mean, I have a fairly well paying job that gets boring periodically and affords me enough time time to escape reality by posting sometimes inane, sometimes offensive, sometimes fabricated, sometimes truthful and often provocative, irrelevant, irreverent, and shocking statements on cyclingforums.com for the sole purpose of baiting other forum members into off-topic arguments that I find entertaining, then yes; guilty as charged.

I'm not trying to hide the fact that I'm somebody that I'm not. Clearly, I am somebody that I'm not. Cyclingcyclone is someone he is not, but he is also trying to hide that fact. This is a bit of a fine line, but I think I can and have justified being on the side that I'm on as opposed to being on the side that cyclingcyclone is on.

As for your apology? Well, if I have misinterpreted your, what can easily be interpreted as a, threat, then I'm sorry I intellectually attacked you. But sincerely Jimbo, these are but words on a computer screen and you should not take them to your true heart, only your online heart, the two of which you should -- and likely do -- differentiate. I know I do.

Also, if you take online insults to heart and find that they are painful, then maybe you should examine the possibility that you are emotionally fragile.

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Yojimbo_

Helmut - you asked me what I meant by a small man.

Here's a definition I found on the web that is pretty much in line with what I meant.

"Having little size, compared with other things of the same kind; little in quantity or degree; diminutive; not large or extended in dimension; not great; not much; inconsiderable; as, a small man; a small river."

To elucidate, in case you still haven't grasped it, you are a small man because not only do you take pleasure in putting other people down, you aren't big enough to apologize for it when you are called on it. You hide behind the anonimity of the Internet to do it, and you keep doing it when someone asks you very politely to stop.

helmutRoole2

Do I get an apology for this:


Well? And, I believe I did offer an apology. Do I need to tear a page out of jimbo's book and tell you to re-read my post?

Also, you are the winner of the 2007 Thesaurus Award for the use of the word elucidate while at the same time the winner of the 2007 Dumb Ass Award for it's redundant use in conjunction with the phrase, "... in case you haven't grasped it." That's like saying, "To help you understand, you don't understand..."

Here's a word for you to learn the meaning of:



You are a hypocrite unless you apologize. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

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Crankyfeet

Seems like we haven't had a good argument in here since Musette and Saluki withered away.

Keep it up guys, excellent entertainment. Better than wrestling.

Commentator: Yes Jimbo went for the usually failsafe "I'm a bigger man than you" argument coupled with the apology demand. Helmut then, seemingly pinned, has flipped Jimbo around on the canvass, totally sidestepping the obvious spelling error defense (on "anonimity") which is a classic rookie dead-end hold, and used instead the "You tried to look smart, but you actually looked dumb" vocabulary manoevre coupled with the hypocrite manoevre as a one-two punch. This is classic forum wrestling folks.

How is Jimbo going to extricate himself from this headlock?

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TheDarkLord

I don't think Musette has withered away though. Just wait for some Bruyneel news to come up.

Yojimbo_

Ah Grasshopper. It only appears that I made a rookie spelling mistake. All other members of the audience know that I put that in on purpose as a test for Helmut....and he failed.

Also, Cranky, I believe the correct spelling is "manoeuvre", although so many people get this wrong that other versions are becoming legit - not sure about "manoevre" though. You know what they say about people living in glass houses......

Hey Helmut - here's what elucidate actually means:

"To make clear or plain, especially by explanation; clarify.

I fail to see the redundancy, because there isn't one. Or don't you know what "redundancy" means either? Also, since when is stating a fact hypocrisy?

And can't you come up with your own material instead of stealing mine? "Prove me wrong" has already been used.

In closing, I invoke words immortalized by Dieter of Sprockets fame (Google it if you must):

Helmut, your story has become tiresome.

Crankyfeet

Yo...Bimbo...

I can't spell to save my life. Especially french words. I'm dislexycal. I was saying that Helmut dummied on the spelling mistake sucker play. A sucker play you fell for like a rookie.

You still haven't recognized the irony that you are criticizing Helmut for criticizing others. By circular logic...you are criticizing yourself. And don't tell me you know Helmut. We know more about cyclingcyclone in one post than a thousand from the Scarlet Pimpernel sometimes known as Helmut. You see Helmut is illusory...it isn't really a person. It changes identities like a chameleon. To get drawn into argument with it displays your naivete, for it has trapped you like a spider. The more you struggle...the more the web enwraps you. You are doomed.

Concerning myself, I'm not criticizing anyone except the OP who still hasn't responded to my question regarding his involvement in the plugged show. But since I'm not criticizing the OP for criticizing, I haven't got myself into a circular argument that has my head up my own fundament.

In finishing I leave you with a quote from Grainger's Nomads of the Foresaken Sea:

"The ship was vast and wooden, and worthy of its imminent journey"

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italiano

I recived PM about this topic. What a fashinating thread! I like it too much.

I have a bad news for you, Jojimbo. You defending apparent trollmen makes you the accomplis. Eden said it best. Cranky, you are too much smart…and funny. Helmut fooled me too. Oh, well

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helmutRoole2

So you're saying that you've grown tired of chasing your own tail? Because really, like Cranky et al have pointed out, you've only called me names and demanded apologies... for calling people names.

Do I need to trot out the definition of hypocrite again?

You probably thought at some point you had a argument but even your dumb, non-spelling, grammatically incorrect ass has to realize by now that you're just doing the same thing I do, albeit in a clumsy thoughtless sort of way.

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