Re: If you don't believe in Evolution, then why do you drive an SUV?

David Kerber

In article <13omossgvlm493e@corp.supernews.com>, nil@earthlink.net
says...
>
> "Tadej Brezina" <tadej_usenet@gmx.at> wrote in message
> news:478b1a13$0$11610$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> > George Conklin wrote:
> >
> > > "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>If people had to pay the true cost of motor vehicles, we would see a lot
> > >>more commuter cyclists.
> > >
> > > You have that totally backwards. Turning a 15 minute commute into a
> one
> > > and half hour commute at standard wage rates means that you are wasting
> > > several hours per day of productive work time, and you arrive at work
> > > exhausted to boot.
> >
> > 1. Since when does the alleged loss of "time" is being changed by the
> > billing rate? Time is time. That's not even backwards, that's totally
> > confused reasoning!
>
> If you bill by the hour, then loss of time is loss of income. Otherwise,
> you lose time you could spend fixing the house, mowing the lawn, and so
> forth. It is a very important issue.

I'd rather spend that time on my bike than fixing the house or mowing
the lawn, so I actually come out ahead...

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Bill Sornson

George Conklin wrote:
> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
> news:%izij.42469$L27.18889@bignews9.bellsouth.net...

>> If more people biked more, the medical industry could
>> potentially lose millions.

> Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
> dangerous on a per-mile basis.

LOL Good one! LOL

George Conklin

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
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> George Conklin wrote:
> > "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
> > news:%izij.42469$L27.18889@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>
> >> If more people biked more, the medical industry could
> >> potentially lose millions.
>
> > Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
> > dangerous on a per-mile basis.
>
> LOL Good one! LOL
>
>

When you get hurt, stop laughing.

George Conklin

"Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
news:8TJij.40845$k27.5230@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13omossgvlm493e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Tadej Brezina" <tadej_usenet@gmx.at> wrote in message
> > news:478b1a13$0$11610$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> >> George Conklin wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>If people had to pay the true cost of motor vehicles, we would see a
> >> >>lot
> >> >>more commuter cyclists.
> >> >
> >> > You have that totally backwards. Turning a 15 minute commute into
a
> > one
> >> > and half hour commute at standard wage rates means that you are
wasting
> >> > several hours per day of productive work time, and you arrive at work
> >> > exhausted to boot.
> >>
> >> 1. Since when does the alleged loss of "time" is being changed by the
> >> billing rate? Time is time. That's not even backwards, that's totally
> >> confused reasoning!
> >
> > If you bill by the hour, then loss of time is loss of income.
> > Otherwise,
> > you lose time you could spend fixing the house, mowing the lawn, and so
> > forth. It is a very important issue.
>
> If you die early because you're a big fat blob, not only do you lose any
> time you could have spent fixing the house, etc., but your family loses
your
> future earnings and has to pay to bury you (assuming that death is instant
> and you don't spend 6 months in the hospital---if that is the case then it
> will be even more expensive).
>
>
Riding a bicycle to work is not the solution to life's problems. It just
adds another one.

George Conklin

"David Kerber" <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.21f53888da35d3d5989bf9@news.conversent.net...
> In article <13omossgvlm493e@corp.supernews.com>, nil@earthlink.net
> says...
> >
> > "Tadej Brezina" <tadej_usenet@gmx.at> wrote in message
> > news:478b1a13$0$11610$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> > > George Conklin wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >>If people had to pay the true cost of motor vehicles, we would see a
lot
> > > >>more commuter cyclists.
> > > >
> > > > You have that totally backwards. Turning a 15 minute commute into
a
> > one
> > > > and half hour commute at standard wage rates means that you are
wasting
> > > > several hours per day of productive work time, and you arrive at
work
> > > > exhausted to boot.
> > >
> > > 1. Since when does the alleged loss of "time" is being changed by the
> > > billing rate? Time is time. That's not even backwards, that's totally
> > > confused reasoning!
> >
> > If you bill by the hour, then loss of time is loss of income.
Otherwise,
> > you lose time you could spend fixing the house, mowing the lawn, and so
> > forth. It is a very important issue.
>
> I'd rather spend that time on my bike than fixing the house or mowing
> the lawn, so I actually come out ahead...

No, you have to hire someone to do that, so riding your bicycle costs you a
fortune.

George Conklin

"Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
news:2YJij.40847$k27.35105@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13omovrd6f61t6d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9jremf.321.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>
> >> > In this climate, I would need a shower and chaning room in the
> >> > buildings
> > at
> >> > work, since I would arrive totally 100% soaked through 8 months of
the
> > year.
> >>
> >> I bet I live in a wetter climate than you.
> >>
> >> With my riding raingear on, I stay much drier
> >> than if I'd walked.
> >>
> >
> > If you used raingear around here, you would arrive at work even more
> > soaked through and you would need to wash the raingrear to get the sweat
> > out.
>
> When I was a student at Mississippi State University, the only
> transportation I had the first year I lived off campus was a bike. I had
> the same concerns, but I found after a few months that I was fit enough
for
> my normal commute and I didn't get sweaty anymore, even when it was hot.
> Mississippi, even North Mississippi, tends to be warmer than North
Carolina.
>
> -Amy
>
>
Even the fit sweat.

David Kerber

In article <13onkbpi4nin056@corp.supernews.com>, nil@earthlink.net
says...

....

> > > > 1. Since when does the alleged loss of "time" is being changed by the
> > > > billing rate? Time is time. That's not even backwards, that's totally
> > > > confused reasoning!
> > >
> > > If you bill by the hour, then loss of time is loss of income.
> Otherwise,
> > > you lose time you could spend fixing the house, mowing the lawn, and so
> > > forth. It is a very important issue.

No, it's not. If I'm getting my exercise time in on my way to work, I
actually come out ahead since I'm getting dual use of my time (getting
to work, and getting my aerobic miles in), instead of spending 25
minutes each way in the car, and then needing to go out for a ride after
I get home.


> >
> > I'd rather spend that time on my bike than fixing the house or mowing
> > the lawn, so I actually come out ahead...
>
> No, you have to hire someone to do that, so riding your bicycle costs you a
> fortune.

Hardly; it just gets put off until later. BTW, if you're so anti-
bicycling, why are you posting in a bicycling forum?


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Bill Sornson

George Conklin wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
> news:478b8caa$0$22605$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> George Conklin wrote:
>>> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in
>>> message news:%izij.42469$L27.18889@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>>> If more people biked more, the medical industry could
>>>> potentially lose millions.
>>
>>> Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
>>> dangerous on a per-mile basis.
>>
>> LOL Good one! LOL
>>
>>
>
> When you get hurt, stop laughing.

Now was that a nice thing to say? Tsk, tsk.

Bill "Conklin taken one too many conks to the noggin?" S.

Jack May

"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
news:478b8caa$0$22605$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> George Conklin wrote:
>> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
>> news:%izij.42469$L27.18889@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>
>>> If more people biked more, the medical industry could
>>> potentially lose millions.
>
>> Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
>> dangerous on a per-mile basis.
>
> LOL Good one! LOL

LOL at what, your total ignorance of accident rates for bikes?

Jack May

"Tadej Brezina" <tadej_usenet@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:478b1a13$0$11610$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> George Conklin wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> 1. Since when does the alleged loss of "time" is being changed by the
> billing rate? Time is time. That's not even backwards, that's totally
> confused reasoning!

Since the Economics professor at UC Berkley got his Nobel prize for
determining how people value their time.

Jack May

"Jym Dyer" <jym@econet.org> wrote in message
news:1d2482d8-b106-4041-8280-afc0e3856270@s27g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Very few people ride a bike to work
>> Your "very few" is actually a rather large number in Portland, OR.
>
> =v= In San Francisco and New York City, as well.

Jym always being the dishonest person carefully cherry picking examples that
are false for most people.

Stephen Harding

Jack May wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>
>>George Conklin wrote:
>>
>>>"Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>If more people biked more, the medical industry could
>>>>potentially lose millions.
>>
>>>Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
>>>dangerous on a per-mile basis.
>>
>>LOL Good one! LOL
>
> LOL at what, your total ignorance of accident rates for bikes?

Are these accident rate reports you read produced by people who
don't like bicycles?

Comparing accident rates on a per mile basis between car and
bike definitely inserts a bias against bicycles.

You need to determine accidents on a per hour basis. That way,
exposure to accident possibilities is equalized.

A motorist can't have an car accident in his living room watching
TV because he covered the 20 miles to the beer store in in 30
minutes while the bicyclist is still out on the road, facing the
possibility of accident for an additional 30 minutes.

That's not very fair!


SMH

Bill Sornson

Jack May wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
> news:478b8caa$0$22605$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> George Conklin wrote:
>>> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in
>>> message news:%izij.42469$L27.18889@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>>> If more people biked more, the medical industry could
>>>> potentially lose millions.
>>
>>> Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
>>> dangerous on a per-mile basis.
>>
>> LOL Good one! LOL
>
> LOL at what, your total ignorance of accident rates for bikes?

Learn to read, moron. HTH

Bill Sornson

Stephen Harding wrote:
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>>
>>> George Conklin wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>
>>>>> If more people biked more, the medical industry could
>>>>> potentially lose millions.
>>>
>>>> Broken legs would make up the difference quickly. Bicycles are
>>>> dangerous on a per-mile basis.
>>>
>>> LOL Good one! LOL
>>
>> LOL at what, your total ignorance of accident rates for bikes?
>
> Are these accident rate reports you read produced by people who
> don't like bicycles?
>
> Comparing accident rates on a per mile basis between car and
> bike definitely inserts a bias against bicycles.
>
> You need to determine accidents on a per hour basis. That way,
> exposure to accident possibilities is equalized.
>
> A motorist can't have an car accident in his living room watching
> TV because he covered the 20 miles to the beer store in in 30
> minutes while the bicyclist is still out on the road, facing the
> possibility of accident for an additional 30 minutes.
>
> That's not very fair!

Just to help everyone out (esp. the moron May), the actual STATEMENT with
which I took issue was "Bicycles are dangerous on a per-mile basis." (No
mention of or comparison to cars in sight, although they were included in
the preceding context.) They are not.

HTH!