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11-01.-2008, 11:04 PM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Valverde and Contador will both be wearing one of these as they enter Italy for the Tour....

Men or womans division?

Sorry couldn't resist.It must be that some of you are a bad influence on me.

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12-01.-2008, 02:41 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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LOL. This is too funny.

It seems likely that if the Italians banned some of the riders then those riders would run into serious problems in other countries like Germany and France.

But... it would not change anything. Teams sign new riders, the show must go on etc. etc.

We have been here before..

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12-01.-2008, 02:45 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal

LOL. This is too funny.

It seems likely that if the Italians banned some of the riders then those riders would run into serious problems in other countries like Germany and France.

I'll give you France of course, but hasn't Germany lost a lot of races? Your point is still fine, I'm just nitpicking.

12-01.-2008, 11:54 PM	#34
Bro Deal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree Posts: 6,320	Re: CONI reopens Puerto Translated from tuttobiciweb: Operation Puerto: the whole world of sports trembles. The reopening of the Puerto dossier not only affects cycling. The doping scandal that exploded in Spain and which the Spaniards practically ignored is now set to affect the other untouched sports. In Fuentes' lists sequestered by the investigators last year, other than the 58 cyclists, there are tennis players, race car drivers and football players, almost all recorded with nicknames or a code. Up until now, no one has bothered finding out who they are, meanwhile cyclists like Ivan Basso, Jan Ullrich and Michele Scarponi have paid a heavy sporting price. Now that CONI has aligned itself with the Prosecutors office in Rome, the investigation reopens with a different focus. Ettore Torri has recounted that in the last few weeks with the collaboration of a lieutenant in the Spanish Civil Guard progress is being made in Spain with the transfer of investigative documents being passed on to a colleague, Paolo Ferraro, the prosecutor involved in the Oil for Drugs scandal. Ferraro intends to make public the list of the other sporting figures, starting with the football players who up until now, except for some gossip, have remained protected. This list stands to retain its partiality since the Spanish investigators until now hadn't bothered to even check Fuentes computer's files. We are only at the beginning. Next stage, the possibility of Fuentes and the four others originally under police investigation in Spain to be called to Rome to testify as well as the cyclists. These cyclists risk the possiblity of not racing in Italy, especially grand Tour stages (one Tour stage and 3 days in the Piemonte region during the Giro) and the upcoming Worlds in Varese. This is going to get very interesting. It is shocking that Fuentes' computer files were never checked. That is where I would expect most of the documentation to be. I can't wait for them to snare Fernando Alonso. The season looks good for Ferrari. __________________ "You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

13-01.-2008, 12:15 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal

Translated from tuttobiciweb:

Operation Puerto: the whole world of sports trembles.

The reopening of the Puerto dossier not only affects cycling. The doping scandal that exploded in Spain and which the Spaniards practically ignored is now set to affect the other untouched sports. In Fuentes' lists sequestered by the investigators last year, other than the 58 cyclists, there are tennis players, race car drivers and football players, almost all recorded with nicknames or a code. Up until now, no one has bothered finding out who they are, meanwhile cyclists like Ivan Basso, Jan Ullrich and Michele Scarponi have paid a heavy sporting price.

Now that CONI has aligned itself with the Prosecutors office in Rome, the investigation reopens with a different focus. Ettore Torri has recounted that in the last few weeks with the collaboration of a lieutenant in the Spanish Civil Guard progress is being made in Spain with the transfer of investigative documents being passed on to a colleague, Paolo Ferraro, the prosecutor involved in the Oil for Drugs scandal. Ferraro intends to make public the list of the other sporting figures, starting with the football players who up until now, except for some gossip, have remained protected. This list stands to retain its partiality since the Spanish investigators until now hadn't bothered to even check Fuentes computer's files.

We are only at the beginning. Next stage, the possibility of Fuentes and the four others originally under police investigation in Spain to be called to Rome to testify as well as the cyclists. These cyclists risk the possiblity of not racing in Italy, especially grand Tour stages (one Tour stage and 3 days in the Piemonte region during the Giro) and the upcoming Worlds in Varese.

This is going to get very interesting. It is shocking that Fuentes' computer files were never checked. That is where I would expect most of the documentation to be.

I can't wait for them to snare Fernando Alonso. The season looks good for Ferrari.

That would be funny if race car drivers were blood doping

13-01.-2008, 12:19 AM

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That would be funny if race car drivers were blood doping

Actually it makes a lot of sense for Formula 1.

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13-01.-2008, 12:21 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Actually it makes a lot of sense for Formula 1.

Really? Please explain....I don't really follow auto racing.

13-01.-2008, 12:27 AM

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This is going to get very interesting. It is shocking that Fuentes' computer files were never checked. That is where I would expect most of the documentation to be.

Why are you surprised? It is clear that thing got out of hand and the authorities in Spain never had any intention of digging deeper to uncover which other riders/sportspeople were involved.

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13-01.-2008, 12:29 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal

This is going to get very interesting. It is shocking that Fuentes' computer files were never checked. That is where I would expect most of the documentation to be.

I can't wait for them to snare Fernando Alonso. The season looks good for Ferrari.

I doubt the Guardia Civil so stupid but I feel that they could be stopped when Spanish governemnt saw that the OP scandal will blow all their champions especially tennis players like Nadal , their track and field runners, their footaball player and clubs (Real,...)...

F1 drivers need in first cocaine to have their brains able to work rapidly and focused all the race.

13-01.-2008, 12:43 AM

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Really? Please explain....I don't really follow auto racing.

The drivers are under incredible amounts of stress. They can pull up to 4.5 Gs. Heart rates are very high during races. I think I remember reading F1 drivers average 80 - 85% of their max heart rate during races.

13-01.-2008, 12:45 AM

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Why are you surprised? It is clear that thing got out of hand and the authorities in Spain never had any intention of digging deeper to uncover which other riders/sportspeople were involved.

I just sort of assumed that if they had a dossier 6000 pages then it would have included information from the most obvious place to look. I doubt Fuentes was keeping his financial records as hand scibbled notes on paper.

13-01.-2008, 03:50 AM	#42
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13-01.-2008, 04:46 AM	#43
poulidor Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,170	Re: CONI reopens Puerto Italia has proved by the past that they can go after football, just have a look at Toto calcio scandal or recently Juventus. They have more credit than Spaniard, isn't i.

13-01.-2008, 04:54 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Originally Posted by poulidor

Italia has proved by the past that they can go after football, just have a look at Toto calcio scandal or recently Juventus. They have more credit than Spaniard, isn't i.

Yes but... I hear that the Spanish government wants to intevene on the highest level...

Don't be surprised if Valverde will be sacrified and football will dissapear out of the headlines again.

I hope Torri will do what he has to do, its about time that Puerto is called what it is, its a sports scandal, not only a cycling scandal.

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13-01.-2008, 05:44 AM

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Re: CONI reopens Puerto

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Torri is going after football? I believe it when I see it.

It could only be possible if the Rome police -- not CONI disciplinare investigation -- implements italian Law 376/2000, Article 1, 9. Then, under a certain EU cooperation agreement, this Italian law enforcement agenzia can bypass the resistanz of spanish sports minister Jaime Lissavetzky and work directly to civil guardia. It is uphill but possible.

CONI comunicato:
http://www.coni.it/?dettaglio_news_&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=3948&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=15b7ab8545
A tal proposito è stato aperto un procedimento disciplinare sportivo, dandone contestuale comunicazione giudiziaria alla Procura della Repubblica di Roma per gli adempimenti di competenza anche ai sensi degli articoli 1 e 9 della Legge 376/2000.

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