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Replacement headset for Trek 5900

 
 
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Old 23-01.-2003, 05:25 PM   #16
Pete
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>I had a 2001 Trek 5900. Had to replace the lower headset bearing at about 4000 miles.

Mine made it about 12,000, but was in sad shape by that point.

> The real problem was that this design (the 1 1/4 inch lower bearing) locked me not just into the
> nonstandard headset but also the Trek 110 fork--which I think was the cause of much bigger grief.

It's actually 1 5/16", I believe.

>From day one I had handling problems. The bike was EXTREMELY squirrly at speed on anything but a
>perfect surface. It also felt strange in a sprint--like it was winding up and springing back.

Might want to check the fit of the *upper* bearing in the cup. Mine had .007 *clearance*!!!

I cut a piece of .003 stainless shimstock and did a full circumference wrap of the upper bearing and
slid it into the cup.

Voila! -- a whole new bike!

-- disclaimer -- I'm 140 lbs, so I know I'm a bit easier on the parts that quite a few people
out there.
 
Old 23-01.-2003, 05:25 PM   #17
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> I also found it interesting in a sad, ironic way that Lance Armstrong rarely rides this frame,
> even in TdF, and then only on climbing stages. I've yet to see a picture of any other USPS rider
> on the frame. I wonder why. Maybe this excerpt from
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/200...ikes/usps.shtml is revlevant:

This was answered earlier, either in this or another thread. Lance is asked to ride *both* bikes,
for marketing purposes. Lance is paid ungodly sums of money and, in return, he offers product
exposure (by riding the bike). If you ask Lance directly (as many have), he'll tell you that the
5900 is his "secret weapon" that he brings out whenever he needs that extra edge in the hills. He
claims it makes a noticeable difference.

If Lance rode a 5500 frameset in classics etc because it was more "solid" or whatever, and TREK
wanted it to appear otherwise, the solution would be very simple- paint a 5500 to look exactly the
same as a 5900. Very, very simple. But the truth is that he rides the 5500 because they're both
great bikes and he's asked to give exposure to each.

As for handling differences between an '01 5900 and the 5500, I'm very qualified to speak on that
one, having ridden the 5500 frameset since 1992 and the 5900 (an '01 model at that) shortly after it
came out. I also happen to be 6' and weigh 187lbs (should be less, sigh). The 5900 is most
definitely a faster-handling bike than the 5500 was, since the '01 model had a fork that was
borrowed directly from the Klein side of the family (Aeros fork), complete with the stock Klein
offset. I noticed that on the very first ride, but within a day or two of riding I was completely at
ease with it (including sprinting).

Different people look for different things in a bike though, and I'm glad you've found something you
really like. The most important thing is to find the time to get out and ride!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
 
Old 23-01.-2003, 05:25 PM   #18
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> OK, but what all that sounds like is that the advantage is a few ounces of weight savings. I mean,
> compared to other forks out there with aluminum steer tubes. I realize from a marketing
> perspective that would be an impossibly foolish thing to do but IMO it would still be a better
> bike that way.

Correct, it's all about sqeezing a few extra ounces out of the frameset, nothing more. I originally
thought it was a really dumb idea, since it meant creating a new world order in which the 5200
customer was no longer buying the exact same frameset as Lance (although, truth be told, they have
Lance riding the standard 5200/5500 frameset as often as possible, for marketing reasons). I thought
this was detract from its sales for that reason. I was wrong. What it did was make the 5200/5500 a
"safe" choice for the person who could now rationalize that he was being responsible and saving
money by getting the more establish, less-expensive model.

Are those few extra ounces important? To Lance they are. In a climbing stage, he wants the frame as
light as he can get it, and still have it reliable. He wants to push the weight limit hard, without
having to resort to stuff that doesn't hold up well. Those five or six ounces saved between the 5500
and 5900 frameset buy improved reliability elsewhere, while maintaining the same overall weight.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReaction.com

"Paul Southworth" <cnhyf-1043038800@usenet.etext.org> wrote in message
news:9Y7X9.30146$A%3.388979@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> In article <67GW9.104$VJ3.47070351@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, Mike Jacoubowsky
> <MikeJ1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> If it causes them such grief to get it right (on a flagship product no less - the one they
> >> should get perfect above all others) why do they stick with that design instead of something
> >> normal like a press-in headset? Does the strange proprietary design give them some amazing
> >> benefit they can't get with a well-understood industry-standard solution? It must be something
> >> really big to warrant tolerating the pain of annoyed dealers and customers.
> >
> >
> >As a matter-of-fact it does give them "some amazing benefit." It allows them to use an aluminum
> >steer column on a fork that weighs just 360 grams (in a size that fits a 60cm bike). Why is that
> >such a big deal? Work in
a
> >bike shop for a while and check all the carbon-fork-column forks that customers have destroyed by
> >either over-tightening or using the wrong
type
> >of star-nut-equivalent. Happens all the time. With the aluminum steer tube, use of a torque
> >wrench isn't required to tighten the stem, and
they're
> >not going to wreck it from the inside-out either. This is a real-life benefit, not something
> >theoretical. To me, it's worth the minor inconvenience. Another benefit is having better support
> >for the fork
crown
> >(less flex, more control) with the wider base there.
> >
> >So yes, the advantage is "something really big."
>
> OK, but what all that sounds like is that the advantage is a few ounces of weight savings. I mean,
> compared to other forks out there with aluminum steer tubes. I realize from a marketing
> perspective that would be an impossibly foolish thing to do but IMO it would still be a better
> bike that way.
>
> --Paul
 
 


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