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29-01.-2008, 10:11 PM

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thunder

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal

Unfortunately we cannot tell much from the result. They had Millar but no Z-Man and no Tommy D. With those two they would have won for sure. The competition does appear to be all that great for that TTT.

California is where we begin to see how well they are going. I won't be too surprised at an overall win by TD.

If they get a Paris-Nice invite I think TD may contend for the overall there. We would be able to compare him with Contadope and Sanchez. Several riders have announced P-N as an objective. Slipstream would be very motivated to perform well there.

it was only 6 kms. Those guys would not make much of a difference. No way Tommy D is great over the 4 km ttt.

Julian Dean, ex pursuiter and leadout man surely is, and so is Sutton, both the same traits. 20 minute tt, and Danielson would whip their arse.

But over a 4km ttt, and the 6 km ttt, I would take Dean and Sutton, without seeing the power numbers and their aero profile.

DZ is great, but part is his profile, part is his power. He rides a mean prologue. But in a ttt, his wind block progile is not much cover for those on his wheel.

Backstedt would be one of the first riders to be chosen in any TTT team. Huge wind block. Huge power. Huge engine, had the numbers for the derney WR, but not on the day with a crappy derney rider.

29-01.-2008, 10:59 PM

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by thebluetrain

I agree, until bias starts appearing.

bit rich coming from the likes of you.

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morelike hypocrisy.

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30-01.-2008, 12:15 AM

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal

What? Someone has taken over your computer. Since when have you been a TD fan?

And for the record, I've been a little Tommy D fan for years now. He's fuckin dreamy!

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30-01.-2008, 12:45 AM

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by thunder

God point with the pusuiters. TD is a good time trialist. The ToC is about three weeks away. He is likely to be in decent form or getting that way.

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30-01.-2008, 12:50 AM

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by Bro Deal

God point with the pusuiters. TD is a good time trialist. The ToC is about three weeks away. He is likely to be in decent form or getting that way.

I said and have always said, TD is a timetriallest in a climbers body. would be better to put on another 3 to 5 kilos, and clone Zabriskie, albeit a little shorter.

I think Danielson is a timetrialest, not a climber. Hence, his climbing records, because of his threshold. He can hold it. Put him in a race situation, after 5 hours, does not have the threshold, does not meet the anaerobic demands of attacks.

But, we are talking TTT over 6 km. And I was positing hypothetical 4 km TTT. No, Tommy D would not be a great man in that situation. Small, sleight, and not huge gross power, because of his weight.

Could hold his own, but I would prefer Sutton, world jnr champ in the teams pursuit.

30-01.-2008, 03:31 AM	#66
whiteboytrash Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,148	Re: Team Clean http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...g-a-guest-post/

30-01.-2008, 03:42 AM

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by whiteboytrash

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...g-a-guest-post/

Isn't this what a biological passport is about? Not a new idea as the blog seems to suggest.

30-01.-2008, 06:14 AM

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Re: Team Clean

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http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...g-a-guest-post/

Good article though in that it casts cycling in a positive light. I know that some have suggested that Slipstream are full of shit about their program, but I really believe that Vaughters is sincere in all that he says. Now, if professional football (American style) will implement this system, we can get back to watching little guys throw around a ball.

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30-01.-2008, 06:23 AM

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Re: Team Clean

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Originally Posted by thoughtforfood

Good article though in that it casts cycling in a positive light. I know that some have suggested that Slipstream are full of shit about their program, but I really believe that Vaughters is sincere in all that he says. Now, if professional football (American style) will implement this system, we can get back to watching little guys throw around a ball.

European Football (world style) announced that it will to blood checking and OOC. They are still reflecting on a biological passport too.

01-02.-2008, 12:23 AM	#70
Bro Deal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree Posts: 6,320	Re: Team Clean Article from l'Equpe on Slipstream. In French. The new kit looks okay. http://slipstreamsports.com/pdf/Equipe.pdf (PDF ) __________________ "You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

01-02.-2008, 12:33 AM	#71
Bro Deal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Resting by the Tumtum tree Posts: 6,320	Re: Team Clean Audio interview with Vaughters in downloadable MP3 no less. http://www.competitorradio.com/details.php?show=197 __________________ "You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

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