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AC & Valv (Piti) Not Guaranteed Tour Start

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Old 30-01.-2008, 06:49 AM   #16
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Caisse as a French bank, to much pull.

But they should be turfed.

Turf them, turf Gerolsteine and Holczers BS, turf Astana, turf EE, turf Saunier. Turf the Italians.

Then you make a statement. You would turf the Belgians too if they had any better climbers than Monfort and Devolder, but they dont.
Hey, if it goes like this, Sastre might finally win something
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Old 30-01.-2008, 06:49 AM   #17
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So the idea is not to win anything before the Tour ! JB is a pro at hinding riders away for the season......... looking back on it Basso in the 06 Giro was a little silly wasn't it....... even Tommy D couldn't keep up....
Yes but the next year they will be out. A lot of teams, riders and managers can point the riders who will dope, especially blood doping. I think omerta is finished especially inside cycling world. I doubt seriously that clean teams which have done effort and spend money would not complain if something is clearly wrong.
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Old 30-01.-2008, 07:27 AM   #18
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Yes but the next year they will be out. A lot of teams, riders and managers can point the riders who will dope, especially blood doping. I think omerta is finished especially inside cycling world. I doubt seriously that clean teams which have done effort and spend money would not complain if something is clearly wrong.

I hope....

I hope you are right.
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Old 30-01.-2008, 10:25 AM   #19
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Yes but the next year they will be out. A lot of teams, riders and managers can point the riders who will dope, especially blood doping. I think omerta is finished especially inside cycling world. I doubt seriously that clean teams which have done effort and spend money would not complain if something is clearly wrong.
Are you serious? What indicates this? That some new teams have stated that they 'will race differently'. I do not see this quantum leap in professional cycling morality...
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Are you serious? What indicates this? That some new teams have stated that they 'will race differently'. I do not see this quantum leap in professional cycling morality...
I think he's just referring to cyclists and the establishment keeping it all a big secret from the public.
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Old 30-01.-2008, 11:08 AM   #21
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Are you serious? What indicates this? That some new teams have stated that they 'will race differently'. I do not see this quantum leap in professional cycling morality...
No, the assumption is that there are a couple of teams out there that are going to race clean. If so, and if they have clout, then they can raise hell about teams that are obviously doped, because they now have an incentive to not let cheaters get away with it (as opposed to the previous situation where everyone was a cheater anyway). So, there are some assumptions, and yeah, I would be a bit skeptical that the omerta is really broken, but let's see how things develop during this season.
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No, the assumption is that there are a couple of teams out there that are going to race clean. If so, and if they have clout, then they can raise hell about teams that are obviously doped, because they now have an incentive to not let cheaters get away with it (as opposed to the previous situation where everyone was a cheater anyway). So, there are some assumptions, and yeah, I would be a bit skeptical that the omerta is really broken, but let's see how things develop during this season.

Yes the omerta is broken and that's probebly the reason why JJ can't find a team and Sinkewitz is feeling lonely as nobody wants to speak with him anymore.

Basso still has friends, even Hamilton has..

The omerta is having a few problems, but the powers that be worked hard and its already stronger again then 6 months ago. Hein says everything will be fine again.
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The omerta is having a few problems, but the powers that be worked hard and its already stronger again then 6 months ago. Hein says everything will be fine again.

I think omerta is breaking down to some degree. We are seeing statements from riders, like the Slipstream ones, that we would not have seen a couple years ago. They are not naming names but they are giving enough for fans to connect more dots.
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Before we had dopers threatened clean riders like Bassons, tomorrow the clean riders, managers, ... will "threaten" the few riders who risk to damage the livelihood of people involved in cycling. UCI, WADA and organisers could target the suspicious riders.
So doping will exist but more confidential, less connexion,... so more difficult until the new methods like genetic,...

I hope it will so.
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I find this all a bit naive. We have declared we will race clean and we are clean. No, really, believe us. It was just the riders who were around before us that were doping and all that...

Sorry, but I do not believe things will change until things like the biological passport are proven (if ever) to be able to nail most doping... then people will race clean to avoid getting caught.
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The omerta is far from dead. The only thing that will help is an amnesty and then serious penalties if you don't confess during the amnesty.
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