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Old 02-02.-2008, 10:26 PM   #16
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Now, if he was clean, go fuck me.

Now that is one scary thought!!! Of course all of your points are but speculation and there is not one ounce of proof you can throw towards the fact that he dopes!!!! I'm not saying that there's proof contador doped either only that he was stupid enough to join a team with a history of dopeing.
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They might have been one of the teams talked about here "Tour like a Mobile Pharmacy" http://www.bikeradar.com/news/artic...-pharmacy-10544
Gotta love this one - amnesia medication so that riders would not forget the stage route :

<<Another 2004 Tour entrant, perhaps the claimant of the 155 benchmark, has a supply of pentoxifylline tablets. These are more commonly prescribed for amnesia in the elderly. "I look after sportsmen of under 30 years of age who don't need reassurances about the state of their memory, not even to remember what the stage route is like," commented a sceptical fdjeux.com doctor, Grard Guillaume.>>
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Now that is one scary thought!!! Of course all of your points are but speculation and there is not one ounce of proof you can throw towards the fact that he dopes!!!! I'm not saying that there's proof contador doped either only that he was stupid enough to join a team with a history of dopeing.

no, but there were facts that the speculation was based on.
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Thats all it is, no proof, see thats the trouble with sport these days, rumours and speculation f#*k it for everyone. If someone is guilty fine ban them for life, if not let it be.
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Thats all it is, no proof, see thats the trouble with sport these days, rumours and speculation f#*k it for everyone. If someone is guilty fine ban them for life, if not let it be.
The trouble is only because a lot of people refused to see the obvious and the people who knew and in charge of the sport never acted ... If UCI had not pushed positive cases under the rug, covered the PEDs use and eventually promoted its use*, we would not be in the current state.


Verddrugen saying : people are not ready to see slower races!
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Thats all it is, no proof, see thats the trouble with sport these days, rumours and speculation f#*k it for everyone. If someone is guilty fine ban them for life, if not let it be.

that is just being disingenuous. I know Rass and Contador were doping. I assume Evans was too.

But if you want to say I am part of ruining the sport, for calling it as it is, and saying the little Spaniard and Rass were doped, who are you to be the arbiter?

The dopers are screwing the sport, not me.
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that is just being disingenuous. I know Rass and Contador were doping. I assume Evans was too.

But if you want to say I am part of ruining the sport, for calling it as it is, and saying the little Spaniard and Rass were doped, who are you to be the arbiter?

The dopers are screwing the sport, not me.

I'm not accusing you of ruining the sport, more accusing the media for publishing every suspicion. And every half arsed Pro or ex pro, who are now coming out and accusing people just to make a name for them selves and probably a quick buck!!! Like I said if someone is proven guilty ban them for life, if not i'm sick of hereing it and i'm sure i'm not the only one, who wants to just get on with enjoying watching the sport without the bullshit, maybe i'm naieve!!
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I'm not accusing you of ruining the sport, more accusing the media for publishing every suspicion. And every half arsed Pro or ex pro, who are now coming out and accusing people just to make a name for them selves and probably a quick buck!!! Like I said if someone is proven guilty ban them for life, if not i'm sick of hereing it and i'm sure i'm not the only one, who wants to just get on with enjoying watching the sport without the bullshit, maybe i'm naieve!!
Look, you must realize that the dopers are clever, and always one step ahead of the testers. On top of that, there is corruption, and many positive tests are covered up by authorities. This is not something limited to cycling; it is there in pro sports in general. I don't see very many people passing along random accusations in the media (like you seem to suggest above). After all, if a rider presses charges against media for false reporting, the media has to provide proof for making the accusations in the first place.

In the forum, we speculate on what is actually going on, and who is really clean vs who is probably dirty because we know the limitations of process in truly catching all the cheats. If you see a rider who is keeping up with others who are juiced up, it is fair to speculate whether that rider is also juiced up. And even here, not everything is blind speculation. As thunder posted, there are some facts behind the speculation. And to repeat, we speculate because we know that not all the cheaters can be or are being caught. If you really want to enjoy the sport without hearing this sort of discussion, my sincere suggestion would be to not check this forum.
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