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06-02.-2008, 03:57 AM
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06-02.-2008, 03:57 AM
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06-02.-2008, 03:58 AM
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I'm sure there are also a number of gems in this very forum from last years TdF threads...
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06-02.-2008, 04:00 AM
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Look, I'm like most pro riders. I just pull the bike out the box and whatever size it is, that's what I roll with. But not Lance. You know, we probably could learn a lesson or two from him.
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06-02.-2008, 04:03 AM
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06-02.-2008, 04:16 AM
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06-02.-2008, 04:42 AM
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We do need that post by Hombre/bobke. Classic since it was later shown to be complete crap later on in the thread. You are partially misinformed. I have seen the x-rays of his chest. His heart, phsycially, is probably three to four times bigger than the average. It is unbelievably enormous. It looks like a halloween pumpkin sitting where a red onion should be. Having sat in on open heart surgeries at Baylor where I interned, the heart is exactly the size of the same person's fist, within +/- %10. It is actually quite small vs. what one would expect. THis makes his stroke volume, the amount of blood ejected with each beat, enormous. Making the machine more efficient. His cardiac muscle mass is probably somewhat increased of course but it is the VOLUME that matters. Most athletes have this. I recall going for an insurance physical when I was doing triathlons and bike races and ws really fit at age 40 something. I had not had an EKG for a while. THe voltage, representing the size of the left ventricle muscle wall was HUGE. I was surprised and a little worries but the doc said, no worries, he was a marathin runner and said it was totally normal to have cardiac mass increase this much. His lungs, in terms of vital capacity relative to his body size and mass, is also pretty good, not unbelievable, but pretty darn good. For example, standing next to him he is much smaller in person, especially, when he was racing, than the pictures suggest. But his chest is pretty darn big. Not to be too personal, but I am the same height and when I raced the same weight as Lance. I measured my vital capacity in college in physiology class. His is twice mine. I am no elite athlete, but just for comparison, that's at least two standard deviations difference. Lung capacity used to be thought of as critical, I dont think current thinking rates it as such. O2 transfer and O2 carrying capacity, ahem, are more important. As to his heart, in terms of drive and motivation, I don't think you need to add or subtract training hours to compare. Others may put as much times on the road, although I would say that Lance made famous an approach many others were slow to adapt--staying fit and on the bike year round--the Euros in particular and folks like David Millar took two to three months off completely. But even his now not so close friends Andreu, Hamilton and others have stated clearly that he could train at race intensity, something they had never seen anyone else, themselves included, do. WHich is why he needed to race less. As to they myth machine, yeah, I wonder why its being trotted out now. I note where he is on the cover of Texas Monthly and inside asked about Prop 15 passing in Texas. No mean feat, and one that will burnish his political aspirations. No doubt, in response to the trash circulating about the Olsen twin. I would love to hear the phone call between Lance and his PR firm. "What do I pay you guys for?!? Your killing me here."
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06-02.-2008, 04:54 AM
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if the guy trained at race intensity, he would have never pulled out of Paris Nice in 2005. I know the salient term is intensity, so, he could have been building, but still had intensity. Question is though, if he only had a few weeks off the bike as Bobke said, and no off-season, why did he pull out of Paris Nice after a few stages.
Just like Rasmussen in the 2007 Giro, and 2006 Dauphine. When riders change their form so convincingly under one month (see Dauphine) and go from lagging in the break in the Dauphine Queen stage, to winning KOMs, and the Giro, where he was down the back, then wins the Tour, you only do that with dope. If those guys were really talented, they would be like Merckx and more than competitive at all events. It is the doping schedules that make the fluctuations in form so absolute. |
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06-02.-2008, 05:06 AM
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That is exactly the pattern we saw with Ullirch.
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06-02.-2008, 05:39 AM
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Sounds like it would be too easy to bait them over there at TPL.
I'm thinking of using "No_Positives" avatar with Lance holding the number seven on a sign... and calling myself "Seven Positives". |
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06-02.-2008, 05:50 AM
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Maybe not. I didn't read very much there, but I could not find any dissent--on anything. It's like a site for a cult, where everyone posts variations of the official gospel and the others agree with it. You have to question a forum where people regularly end their posts with things like "Go Johann!". Using the search function I found a post by someone who said something along the line of "we should not be naive and we should assume that Disco was doing the same thing the other teams were." The admin then posted that he had PMed the poster the site was not for neutral discussion; it was a Disco fan site. Thepaceline is quite uninteresting. I don't know if I can continue to monitor it.
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06-02.-2008, 05:59 AM
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06-02.-2008, 06:04 AM
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06-02.-2008, 06:09 AM
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Hi.
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Lance Armstrong’s Last Words, August 10, 2007 - “We're proud of our record. I tested positive six times at the 1999 Tour and still won," Armstrong said. “I’m not sure if there are many other teams who can say that right now. Couple that with our complete disregard for ethics, despite all the gossip and nonsense that goes on.” |
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06-02.-2008, 06:11 AM
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Wow, it's Mo_Positives in the house. What up, Mo?
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