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08-02.-2008, 01:53 PM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
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The ASO recently acquired the Tour of Germany. If the GTs could buy or ally with Flanders and the Tour of Switzerland then they would have nearly all the really big events.
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08-02.-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
Is San Sebastian an Unipublic race?
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08-02.-2008, 03:04 PM
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08-02.-2008, 04:23 PM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
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08-02.-2008, 04:37 PM
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No they were not stupid. They were the first team sacrified in the power struggle between UCI and the Grand Tours. They ussually don't say oh its because of the powerstruggle. They will name some reason but not the real one. And I read in this forum that its a good strategy: enough people buy that. That they were the last one who received a Pro-Tour license isn't there fault, ask the people who sold that license to them (Paddys club). Or did you hear that AC Milan wasn't allowed to play in France, live on TV with a private gambling company advertising on their jersey. I saw that match, no problem in France. |
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08-02.-2008, 05:07 PM
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It doesn't matter what ostensible reasons the GTs gave for not inviting Unibet. At the end of 2006 everyone knew there would be trouble with the number of ProTour teams. Unibet placed their bet, rolled the dice, and lost. If they want to claim they didn't know there would be trouble then they were stupid.
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08-02.-2008, 05:14 PM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
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You really don't understand do you? Unibet started planning their Pro-Tour team mid 2005, it takes a while before you are ready. It doesn't matter what people knew by the end of 2006. The big players played chess with a big sponsor as pion that is what counts, other sponsors look at that kind of beghavior. Its bad for the sport. |
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08-02.-2008, 05:30 PM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
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Well, they didn't stump up the cash to UCI until 2006, but by then they'd committed the sponsor, tracked down a fine squad--they were rollin'. I suppose they still gambled, in a sense, since they could have pulled out very late, but it might have caused plenty of other problems with whatever other commitments they'd made to get to that point. edit: I certainly agree with your last point: bad for the sport. |
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08-02.-2008, 05:34 PM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
It seems that Bro is saying that when Unibet joined, they knew that a Pro Tour team had to be sacrificed to bring it down to eighteen teams. If they weren't thinking it would most likely be them, then they would have been assuming that another team that had been in the Pro Tour longer than them would have to be sacrificed.
CH seems to be saying that there was no limitation to 18 teams. That all 19 could have been invited. Or that the fact that only 18 were going to be invited was only known at the end of 2006, after Unibet had already invested and committed in their team and participation in the major events. Which is the case? If you don't mind my ignorance... I see this as a contention of the facts.
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08-02.-2008, 05:52 PM
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When you make an investment you look at the current situation, not what things were like a year and a half before. The GTs were never happy about the number of teams. By the end of 2006 the feud was on full bore. Going up to twenty teams was obviously going to cause serious problems with the TdF. Forging ahead and getting a ProTour license was risky. Unibet sided with the weaker side of a power dispute. Not the brightest strategy.
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08-02.-2008, 06:17 PM
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This is the problem with cycling... nobody (sponsors specifically) knows what is going to happen... the environment is unstable enough with the doping scenario... let alone adding in the political catfight. Nothing profound there Cranky... but hey... I'm starting to feel like personally ditching the whole pro scene the more I hear about the crap that goes on behind the scenes from you guys. I don't know how you stay so dedicated CH.
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08-02.-2008, 11:15 PM
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08-02.-2008, 11:30 PM
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09-02.-2008, 01:49 AM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
I doubt very much that Giro would take the brunt of UCI's fury without knowing that ASO and then Vuelta are going to follow suit. I think Astana is going to get dumped out of the Tour.
Prudholme is interested in destiny and he has a chance to stamp authority back on a sport that has gone to the dogs. If Astana get dropped viewing figures will be super high due to the publicity it will bring that it has taken this step to counter the image that doping wins. Every amateur cyclist fan now finally wants a clean sport, challenging and exciting yes but I am quite positive that people are sick to death of their heroes being druggies. Bruyneel's American Dream is ending and he is unfortunately short sighted as Vaughters has got him checkmate as viewing figures in the States are assured by Slipstream's publicity drive rather than by his former Discovery team. This could also explain Hincapie's High Rd ommission. I pray that Astana are left out as a clear sign that enough is enough and that the Once-Liberty Seguros-Astana Wurth-Astana phase is officially terminated. Leopard and spots guys, leopard and spots! |
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09-02.-2008, 02:08 AM
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Re: McQuaid tells the ASO to follow the rules or get out the UCI
Will ASO be swayed by national interests?
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080208/98720066.html France are the 5th largest trade partner of Kazahkstan and the PM was in the Kazahk capital this week canvasing for investment! |
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