Please Sign the Team Astana Petition

Originally Posted by thunder

House?

there are alot, who refuse to admit the facts, and hide behind specious defenses of definitions of evidence, of procedure.

We are not talking civil liberties. We are trying to get the most realistic picture.

To deny the presence of the positive samples, deny Vaughters and Andreu IM, to deny the insulin and actovegin and blood swabs in the medical waste, is to deny the facts.

The facts are the 6 positives are compromised, but they are what they are. Compromised, but they exist, they exist in that status, where you attribute enough weight according to their compromised status.

To dismiss them out of hand, is, exactly the same as suggesting Armstrong should have his 1999 win taken back because he was doped. You cannot revoke his status in the annals of history because of the compromised samples. But the samples, compromised as they are, exist.

The relationship to Ferrari exists.

You cannot dismiss them out of hand. That is the disingenuousness and insidiousness of defending Armstrong. You have to dismiss all evidence. I do not think the compromised samples existing on their own attribute to much, but the sheer cumulative weight of all information surrounding Armstrong paints the most damning reality.

House can support Armstrong, and say he cannot be sure, but that is insidious, and just as malignant as any cancer, as it allows the Commander in Chief to take you into a war, without the keen criticism, and holding powerful individuals to account.

Originally Posted by thoughtforfood

Yep, I have two rules in life:
1. Never smell my fingers
2. Live my life and not someone else's

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Thanks TFF. I think I might add one of your rules to my own list.

Never smell TFF's fingers.


There. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Here's a bit of random trivia that everybody here probably knows but I didn't. L'Equippe and ASO are owned by the same parent company.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Here's a bit of random trivia that everybody here probably knows but I didn't. L'Equippe and ASO are owned by the same parent company.

Originally Posted by Aquamarinos

No wonder...
Signed the Petition, not because I like Astana, but just to have a good race. Hopefully they have similar thing with HR and the French teams(if they want to participate? )

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

I don't want to influence your opinion in any way, but I hope you realize that most people who have posted here are joking when it comes to supporting this petition!

Originally Posted by earth_dweller

hey maybe we can start a petition to ban the first petition? and of course, we can address it to United Nations


yep, that makes as much sense at the first petition

Originally Posted by helmutRoole2

You're on fire today.

Originally Posted by earth_dweller

hey maybe we can start a petition to ban the first petition?

Originally Posted by freeagent35

Absolutely. It is really unfair for JB and the boys to be paying for sins that they never had anything to do with. Excluding the defending Tour champ without good cause? Unacceptable.