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24-02.-2008, 10:14 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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The fact remains that ASO had no reason to remove Astana other than their hatred of Bruyneel and their bigotry.

The fact is ASO banned Astana because they have the power !
Bruyneel was the gag of last TDF seeking sponsors, that was a great pleasure and lot of laugh for everyone. What a Wally !

24-02.-2008, 10:25 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Yesterday, Tinkoff , owner tinkoff squad, sayd to one reporter, my friend: “while old guardia as Riis and Bruyneel stay in sport no order will be”

ROFLMAO. Yeah, Oleg Tinkoff is extremely concerned about doping. I haven't had such a good laugh in a long time.

24-02.-2008, 10:30 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

I think I know where you are making your mistake. You define doping as having a criminal charge, which means no doubt. But, this is a public opinion forum, and the standard here is preponderance. Astana had a history of doping in 2007. The team changed management, but did nothing to start a doping control program. Several riders with prior association with Bruyneel have been convicted of doping; Landis and Hamilton. Sounds to me like it was a logical decision. To ban a team, they don't need criminal, just preponderance and it appears to me that is what they had.

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No it doesn't mean squat. They can't trace the handling, who had the sample, who had access to the samples, where they were kept. And the test proceedures themselves were not followed. The samples would have been better handled and tested by first year chemistry students. The standards are in place for a reason - and that is to insure no mistakes are made and no tampering is done. With the handling of those samples, you cannot make either statement. The results are 100% meaningless, except to the buttheads on this forum who are looking for an excuse. The fact remains that ASO had no reason to remove Astana other than their hatred of Bruyneel and their bigotry.

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24-02.-2008, 10:36 AM	#154
poulidor Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,017	Re: No Tour for Astana ASO don't need to ban the doped DISCOTANA riders, they did just not invite them !

24-02.-2008, 10:47 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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You define doping as having a criminal charge

No, most doping charges don't involve criminal charges. What I'm saying is that the cycling federations, the race organizers, WADA, and the UCI all have an official definition of doping. Under that definition Bruyneel's team has no positives. So are the race organizers going to conform to their own standards and do things in a professional manner, or are they going to make decisions based upon rumor, innuendo and hearsay.

24-02.-2008, 10:50 AM	#156
Crankyfeet Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: You are here => X Posts: 9,967	Re: No Tour for Astana Hey Tambourlain... while every cyclist in the world is either watching or competing in the Giro and the TdF, Astana can suck on a banana... The once-Disco-but-now-we-love-Astana fanboys, like yourself, will probably like to use the banana for more pleasurable things... __________________

24-02.-2008, 10:50 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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The fact is ASO banned Astana because they have the power !

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ASO don't need to ban the doped DISCOTANA riders,
they did just not invite them !

Are you arguing with yourself now poulidor?

24-02.-2008, 10:52 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Ah ...................moderated

I'm confused about the insult. Is an unadulterated piece of shit better or worse than an adulterated piece of shit?

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24-02.-2008, 10:57 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Are you arguing with yourself now poulidor?

No I am just trying to find a answer which fit your needing !

An other ?

ASTANA won't be on TDF to be unpleasant with all disco fans!

24-02.-2008, 10:59 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Hey Tambourlain... while every cyclist in the world is either watching or competing in the Giro and the TdF, Astana can suck on a banana...

And every cyclist in the world will know that the races are meaningless, since three of the five best, including the very best, will not be there. This year, if you want to call yourself the best, you will have to go to the Vuelta and win it. So if you think that's a great Giro or a great TdF, then it makes sense that you also think that a banana is an object of pleasure. This years Tour will be contested by three wheel suckers - Menchov, Evans and Valverde. And it will be won by a well doped up Menchov.

24-02.-2008, 10:59 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

But that is the standard they use, if there is any doubt they don't accept the lab test results. That means, a lot of riders are doping, but not getting caught. Astana and Bruyneel are doping, Astana got caught, Bruyneel hasn't yet. The EPO standard is 50% hematocrit, so riders still take EPO, but not too much so they don't exceed the 50%. Just because they don't test positive, does not mean the riders are not doping. It only means they are not being caught.

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24-02.-2008, 11:04 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Levi didn't dope when he joned Disco. He just improved his 50km time trial time from 2006 by 5 mins, through learning the Carmichael-USPS-Disco secrets of high cadence.

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24-02.-2008, 11:06 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Whatever you say..they'll still be sucking on a banana.... boo hoo....

It disheartens me that you are in such grief at your favorite team's exclusion. Now I am going to be very, very upset that tambourlain is unhappy.

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24-02.-2008, 11:09 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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they know who is doping you muppet.

They know who is flying, ask Mcgee, the riders know who is doing what, it is evident on the road.

You assume that teams that avail themselves of sophisticated methods to beat the tests, should be given carte blanche to dope because of said "definition".

If anything from Balco, to OP has told you, if you wish for a dope free sport, you cannot rely only on direct analysis testing parameters. You need the policing authorites, non-analytical tests and so on, to butress the enforcement.

24-02.-2008, 11:24 AM

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Re: No Tour for Astana

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Ah ...................moderated.

Tambourlain isn't a bigot. He's an ultra-rightwing egalitarian. An oxy-moron...

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