Everyone is farked; Spanish Courts re-open Puerto - here we go again...

thunder

HRHRHR will you start to the vitriol in Hamilton's direction for me please.

Bro Deal

Hamilton cannot be in trouble unless I read the WADA code wrong. His conviction and sanction for blood doping prevents him from being sanctioned for any doping that took place before unless a more severe sanction can be applied, which it cannot because cycling only has one sanction (two years).

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thunder

nope, I think you read it wrong. There is a possibility for Hamilton to go for everything he did. All he got nabbed for was his blood transfusion.

Bro Deal

If they do then a lot of people are fucked. It seems the likely place to find doping schedules, accounting records, even saved e-mails.

This also has to give some momentum to the Italians.

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helmutRoole2

That's the way I understood it too.

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Bro Deal

I'll have to pull up the WADA code again. But I remember it saying that a second violation can only be considered if it occurs after the athlete has been notified of the first violation.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Crankyfeet

I think (think) also you can't be retrospectively prosecuted, if you are serving or have served a suspension or penalty perhaps (I remember reading this somewhere).

It also relates to say, for example, Vino testing positive twice in the same race. He doesn't have to serve a four year suspension instead of a two year one because of the two violations.

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Bro Deal

The WADA code says:

For purposes of imposing sanctions under Articles 10.2, 10.3, and 104., a second anti-doping rule violation may be considered for purposes of imposing sanctions only if the Anti-Doping Organization can establish that the Athlete or other Person committed the second anti-doping rule violation after the Athlete or other Person received notice, or after the Anti-Doping Organization made a reasonable Attempt to give notice of the first anti-doping rule violation; if the Anti-doping Organization cannot establish this, the violations shall be considered as one single first violation, and all sanctions imposed shall be based on the violation that carries the more severe sanction.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

thunder

so basically they were just screwing Hamilton last year cos they thought he was a whiney beeitch

classic1

Lets see if the soccer players and tennis players are hounded. Not likely. Would be good for a giggle if they did though.

Bro Deal

I don't know. It's sort of confusing. There is a secton 10.6.3 that seems to contradict 10.6.1 and 10.2 by defining a sanction that is in between the two years and lifetime ban, which are the only sanctions given in 10.2.

I do think that McQuaid was screwing with Hamilton. Hamilton's offenses occurred before the ProTour started but McQuaid was saying they would apply the four year rule to him. His reasoning seemed to be that Hamilton's hearing took place after the ProTour started, which makes no sense.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Crankyfeet

It's amazing how things can fall into place when you are the one making up the rules.

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Bro Deal

Alonso drives for a french F1 team. I wonder what the team's response would be if he is linked to OP.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

kennf

I know I shouldn't look at the Paceline forum, but I can't resist. In addition to another dozen or so posts expressing a bizarre hatred for Slipstream, there's a post rejoicing in the fact that OP has re-opened. Do they not even understand that their new-found patron saint Contador is in the crosshairs?