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Old 18-02.-2008, 09:34 AM   #16
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Looks like Tommy D didn't turn up very well prepared, he's been beaten by Cipo!! By 2.5 seconds!!

He evidently has been sick.

Is he ever well? He should drink some orange juice or something.
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Looks like Tommy D didn't turn up very well prepared, he's been beaten by Cipo!! By 2.5 seconds!!
Cipo ain't a bad prologue rider. He is my age. Makes me feel good.
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Phil is such a tool. "Don't try this at home, it is a very dangerous way of riding your bike."
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Cancellara wins the prologue - was there ever any doubt?

Interesting that Cavendish is the best placed sprinter and I believe within range to take the Jersey (leaders) with a 1st place tomorrow. Give High Road another thing to shoot for.
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Cancellara wins the prologue - was there ever any doubt?

Interesting that Cavendish is the best placed sprinter and I believe within range to take the Jersey (leaders) with a 1st place tomorrow. Give High Road another thing to shoot for.

pretty decent pursuiter he is, and he won the tour of britain prologue last year amongst a few luminaries.
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Cancellara wins the prologue - was there ever any doubt?

Interesting that Cavendish is the best placed sprinter and I believe within range to take the Jersey (leaders) with a 1st place tomorrow. Give High Road another thing to shoot for.
Slipstream has four of the top ten and High Road has three. Add in two for CSC and one for Astana and you have the entire top ten occupied with teams with anti-doping programs. Hmmm. Of course they are also all big budget teams that have an incentive to perform in this event, but still. Hmmm.
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Slipstream has four of the two ten and High Road has three. Add in two for CSC and one for Astana and you have the entire top ten occupied with teams with anti-doping programs. Hmmm. Of course they are also all big budget teams that have an incentive to perform in this event, but still. Hmmm.
Isn't ToC gonna test the riders though? And the testing is not being handled by the UCI, right?
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Hey CH, how is everthing going? Oh, the race! I will pick Leipheimer overall.
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Great start for both Slipstream & High Rd, cool.
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Wow, Cancellara manages to beat Wiggins at the mans perfect duration/distance by 4.8 seconds. Let's just pretend that Wiggins lost it in the three corners on the course. And that's he's not in great form and Cancellara is.....
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Wow, Cancellara manages to beat Wiggins at the mans perfect duration/distance by 4.8 seconds. Let's just pretend that Wiggins lost it in the three corners on the course. And that's he's not in great form and Cancellara is.....
I think you would have to walk around the corners to lose 4.8 seconds.

It has been clear for a couple years that Cancellara must be doing some major Bruyneel-level doping. The time differences are ridiculous.
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I think you would have to walk around the corners to lose 4.8 seconds.

It has been clear for a couple years that Cancellara must be doing some major, Bruyneel-level doping. The time differences are ridiculous.

I diagree on one assumption.

Cancellara corners and accelerates out of the corners like MCewen, where Wiggins is more like Rass. I think there is about 3-5 seconds potentially in the start, the corners, and the finish sprint.

Wiggins has obviously perfected his start and sprint(madison) on a fixed gear, but I think he is far far behind Cancellara in these respects on the road.

But you only have to see the differences in the body, and Cancellara is carrying some heavy muscle for a guy riding 20 thousand miles a year.
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I diagree on one assumption.

Cancellara corners and accelerates out of the corners like MCewen, where Wiggins is more like Rass. I think there is about 3-5 seconds potentially in the start, the corners, and the finish sprint.

Wiggins has obviously perfected his start and sprint(madison) on a fixed gear, but I think he is far far behind Cancellara in these respects on the road.

But you only have to see the differences in the body, and Cancellara is carrying some heavy muscle for a guy riding 20 thousand miles a year.

It's not just this prologue. It's the last year and a half. Riders like the Z-Man have fallen off the map.

You got the muscles right. He's built like a brick shithouse.
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I diagree on one assumption.

Cancellara corners and accelerates out of the corners like MCewen, where Wiggins is more like Rass. I think there is about 3-5 seconds potentially in the start, the corners, and the finish sprint.

Wiggins has obviously perfected his start and sprint(madison) on a fixed gear, but I think he is far far behind Cancellara in these respects on the road.

But you only have to see the differences in the body, and Cancellara is carrying some heavy muscle for a guy riding 20 thousand miles a year.

+1 Whether FC is doping or not, his cornering on a TT bike is pretty incredible.

I think he makes up time on most TT riders there. He seems to pedal longer (and at a steeper bike angle) through the corners than others. Supposedly good riders will clip their pedals often enough pedaling through the corners of a crit (not me though ). I wonder how often that happens on a TT bike.
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