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thunder

its the recovery dope.

Outside competition LL always had a good dope program.

Disco just makes the recovery dope and they make it GOOOOD!

Crankyfeet

recovery dope = bags filled with your own centrifuged blood + some "seasoning" I presume...

BTW - I assume you weren't calling me a dope in that first sentence?...

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confusedfan

And Cavendish shows again that he's still relatively inexperienced - wins the sprint but then loses it by getting a time-penalty for hanging on to a team car to get back to the peloton after a crash (I was wondering why Cipo was apparently yelling at him after the stage...)

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hawkeye87

Looks like Cipo also received a 20-second penalty from the stats of the stage.

azdroptop

Not the only Cadel is clean thing again!? All are doped but him.

thunder

nope.

you will read my opinions about cadel and I am quite unequivocal. Ask Scottri, who reckons he is clean.

Drongo

I understood Thunder to be saying that he thought Evans was getting some help, just not as comprehensive as some of his competition (ie. blood doping). So cleaner, if not clean. Sorry if that misrepresents what you've said, Thunder.

One thing that stands in Evans' favour was the way he was completely ostracised at Telekom. But then, that might just be a language thing, or maybe they just didn't like him... None of us knows, do we?

thunder

I think Cyclingheroes said that in the 2004 Vuelta, when the entire team got "food poisoning" only Zabel and Evans did not.

I read this meant they did not get transfusions.

But I think Evans is boosting his blood, at a minimum. But maybe not rest-day blood transfusions. Perhaps a transfusion prior to the start.

I dont think Lotto are clean by a long streak. Look at the 2005 Giro when Ardilla and Van Huffel climbed like Pantani in the final week and their altitude tents were taken, but the thing was, they had a hundred or so syringes or more. God knows why they needed so many syringes.

Bro Deal

Great win by Hincapie. He's been aggressive this whole stage race. Perhaps the move to a new team has done him good.

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Drongo

Basically correct about the Vuelta. This is the CN report for Stage 5: link. Evans, Zabel and Tomas Konecny were okay. Botero, Hiekmann and Wesemann abandoned with 'food poisoning'; Vino, Klier and Schreck were all in the hurt box but finished the stage well back (Klier dropped out the next day).

As I recall, Evans was ordinary on the GC that year, but Zabel won the points jersey, so maybe that became the team's focus.

edit: Agree re: Lotto; there's certainly no reason to think they're spotless. As Runitout has said, even if Evans were clean, he would still benefit from having doped team-mates. His public statements do nothing to dispel the notion that he's quite content with the status quo.

Frigo's Luggage

Yeah. George is a much better rider when he is aggressive. He can't wait around for the sprint. He has to make things happen.

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benson

So, Hincapie does it again! Sit on someone's wheel, let others do the work, and get a win. Sound familiar? Think about it. Is '01 Gent-Wevelgem Hincapie's only non-asterisk win? I'm still pissed about the '05 Tour stage to Pla d'Adet. Yeah, I understand not working with Pereiro since he was high in the GC, but then to jump him for the win? Any self-respecting athlete knows how incredibly lame that was. '06 US champs? Needed a little help from new teammate Levi, right? His first US win? Nobody was there. Classic underachiever. With this said, I really hope he wins Flanders or Roubaix before he retires to his gated community.

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kennf

Well, I think that's a little rough on George. Seems to me he was working as hard as anyone in the break, and he single-handedly bridged the gap up to Zirbel.

nns1400

Creed was the one trying to sit on the back...

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