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Old 20-02.-2008, 08:54 PM   #16
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A shop specialising in road bikes is a rarity. Any other shops in Melbourne that sells only road bikes?


Beasley doesn't stock just road bikes.

The only one that did as far as I know was Rouler in Abbotsford... went out of business.
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Old 20-02.-2008, 08:55 PM   #17
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I am after cycling products so you site dosen't answer anything.
Well just between you and me, I reckon you know where to find cycling products...
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Old 20-02.-2008, 08:56 PM   #18
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So there is something wrong with your current bike that demands a new bike?

In short - go to Cycle Science in Mitcham.

It's a worry when I've never rode my road bike in the forward grabing position, that is holding the curl because it seems too far away and my stomach gets in the way.

What about Beasley's Cycles?
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Old 20-02.-2008, 08:58 PM   #19
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Well just between you and me, I reckon you know where to find cycling products...

But maybe not where it offers high quality services like good fitting. The last one I went to, they just got me stand over a few bikes.
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Old 20-02.-2008, 09:00 PM   #20
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It's a worry when I've never rode my road bike in the forward grabing position, that is holding the curl because it seems too far away and my stomach gets in the way.

What about Beasley's Cycles?


overweight and can't reach the drops... sounds more like a Kennedy's kind of client.

As Thylo said earlier... Beasley has his work cut out for him doing other things at the moment.
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But maybe not where it offers high quality services like good fitting. The last one I went to, they just got me stand over a few bikes.


If you want someone to sell you a service to fit you to the bike + some parts that they have in stock, Kennedys or SHM....

I'd recommend neither though.
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But maybe not where it offers high quality services like good fitting. The last one I went to, they just got me stand over a few bikes.
Most half arsed bike shops can fit you to the right bike. To get the real deal kinda fit you need a place like IOS or emma colson. Kennedy and beasely are a couple of guys who can offer both.
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Old 20-02.-2008, 09:21 PM   #23
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If you want someone to sell you a service to fit you to the bike + some parts that they have in stock, Kennedys or SHM....

I'd recommend neither though.

Kennedys actually custom make your bike. That is got to be a winner? Which other stores in Melbourne does that? Why wouldn't you reommend a shop like that?
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Old 21-02.-2008, 06:11 AM   #24
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Kennedys actually custom make your bike. That is got to be a winner? Which other stores in Melbourne does that? Why wouldn't you reommend a shop like that?


Because i don't agree with his fit style, including his custom bikes. John Kennedy is a good enough bloke, but that doesn't mean i'll recommend his service.

He's done plenty of custom bikes, does plenty of retro fits to bikes that people wheel in the front door too. Will cost you about $250 + parts for a 'fitting'.
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Because i don't agree with his fit style, including his custom bikes. John Kennedy is a good enough bloke, but that doesn't mean i'll recommend his service.

He's done plenty of custom bikes, does plenty of retro fits to bikes that people wheel in the front door too. Will cost you about $250 + parts for a 'fitting'.
How much do you about bike fits?

Have you heard of bad feedback form his customers or were you one of his? Could you elaborate on his style of fit and bikes?

If I was willing to pay $3000+ for a road bike, I'd prefer it was custom made for myself rather than one from a leading manufacturer for anybody roughly my size.
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Old 21-02.-2008, 10:14 AM   #26
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How much do you about bike fits?

Have you heard of bad feedback form his customers or were you one of his? Could you elaborate on his style of fit and bikes?

If I was willing to pay $3000+ for a road bike, I'd prefer it was custom made for myself rather than one from a leading manufacturer for anybody roughly my size.


Kennedy's bikes have extremely slack seat tube angles, and then throws on lay-back seat posts and extremely short headstems. Usually means that the rider is on the bike with an upright position (even in the drops), locked arms, and poor handling with the short stems.

What this means even if the bike is custom made, you still end up with massive comprises in the design because he follows a formula a formula build anyway. Just like SHM follow a formula for bicycle fit. Formula's don't always work with bicycle and body mechanics.

If you are willing to pay $3000+ i'd be investigating Baum Cycles in Geelong. Now they are someone i'd be willing to recommend if you want a custom made bike for you. Entry level custom bike from Baum with Ultegra SL is $3950. You'll pay similar prices at Kennedy's for (in my opinion) a worse bike.

I know multiple people from recreational riders to competitive racers that ride Baum Cycles both MTB and Road and are extremely happy.
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Kennedy's bikes have extremely slack seat tube angles, and then throws on lay-back seat posts and extremely short headstems. Usually means that the rider is on the bike with an upright position (even in the drops), locked arms, and poor handling with the short stems.

What this means even if the bike is custom made, you still end up with massive comprises in the design because he follows a formula a formula build anyway. Just like SHM follow a formula for bicycle fit. Formula's don't always work with bicycle and body mechanics.
You're making some broad sweeping generalisations there Para. Everyone uses some type of 'system' to fit the rider to the bike. I also think you'll generally find that most Victorian companies subscribe to varying degrees to the slacker seat angle than what's currently 'standard' philosophy. People are generally sitting too far forward and not engaging their glutes. Simple fact, we all agree.

You obviously have a thing against Kennedy and that's fine, but I think it's more a result of his personality than anything else. His shop also caters for a lot of middle aged rich guys who generally only ride to the cafe on a Sunday, so you have to take that into consideration. You'd fit them different than you would a 60kg top level club racer.

For the record we can also do our entry level Tephra with Ultrgra SL for a similar price. We outsource our fitting to Beasley (we're not arrogant enough to say we have enough fit and ergo credentials to be as good as him) and it's included in the price.

Although he's busy, we have enough pull to be able to get customers in, but we have to work with his scedule.

Now Pivoxa, if you've got 2-3k MAX to spend on a bike, shop around online for what you like, and I'm sure Para and myself can give you some valuable input into which ones might be best. Don't forget too, if you're getting into it in a large-ish way, you'll also need shoes, pedals, clothing, helmet, and probably lights. These things start to add up quick, so you have to factor that in to your budgeting.
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Kennedy's bikes have extremely slack seat tube angles, and then throws on lay-back seat posts and extremely short headstems. Usually means that the rider is on the bike with an upright position (even in the drops), locked arms, and poor handling with the short stems.

What this means even if the bike is custom made, you still end up with massive comprises in the design because he follows a formula a formula build anyway. Just like SHM follow a formula for bicycle fit. Formula's don't always work with bicycle and body mechanics.

If you are willing to pay $3000+ i'd be investigating Baum Cycles in Geelong. Now they are someone i'd be willing to recommend if you want a custom made bike for you. Entry level custom bike from Baum with Ultegra SL is $3950. You'll pay similar prices at Kennedy's for (in my opinion) a worse bike.

I know multiple people from recreational riders to competitive racers that ride Baum Cycles both MTB and Road and are extremely happy.


They say you should go to a LBS. I live near the city and so Geelong is 'a bit far'. So maybe get servicing from another closer store? But that is not as good?
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You're making some broad sweeping generalisations there Para. Everyone uses some type of 'system' to fit the rider to the bike. I also think you'll generally find that most Victorian companies subscribe to varying degrees to the slacker seat angle than what's currently 'standard' philosophy. People are generally sitting too far forward and not engaging their glutes. Simple fact, we all agree.

You obviously have a thing against Kennedy and that's fine, but I think it's more a result of his personality than anything else. His shop also caters for a lot of middle aged rich guys who generally only ride to the cafe on a Sunday, so you have to take that into consideration. You'd fit them different than you would a 60kg top level club racer.

For the record we can also do our entry level Tephra with Ultrgra SL for a similar price. We outsource our fitting to Beasley (we're not arrogant enough to say we have enough fit and ergo credentials to be as good as him) and it's included in the price.

Although he's busy, we have enough pull to be able to get customers in, but we have to work with his scedule.

Now Pivoxa, if you've got 2-3k MAX to spend on a bike, shop around online for what you like, and I'm sure Para and myself can give you some valuable input into which ones might be best. Don't forget too, if you're getting into it in a large-ish way, you'll also need shoes, pedals, clothing, helmet, and probably lights. These things start to add up quick, so you have to factor that in to your budgeting.
Which shop are your from?

So you actually tell your customers to goto Beasley at Footscray for the Fitting or do you just send the results to Beasely?

My main priority is to get a bike that fits well so online may be the least helpful?
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You're making some broad sweeping generalisations there Para. Everyone uses some type of 'system' to fit the rider to the bike. I also think you'll generally find that most Victorian companies subscribe to varying degrees to the slacker seat angle than what's currently 'standard' philosophy. People are generally sitting too far forward and not engaging their glutes. Simple fact, we all agree.

You obviously have a thing against Kennedy and that's fine, but I think it's more a result of his personality than anything else. His shop also caters for a lot of middle aged rich guys who generally only ride to the cafe on a Sunday, so you have to take that into consideration. You'd fit them different than you would a 60kg top level club racer.


I don't have a single thing against him at all. It is just in my opinion, he fits his bike to riders that come through the door to the same mold as the majority of his clients, as you say, overweight - cafe - beach road cruisers.

Our household has previous experience with Kennedy re: bike fitment, my wife is a member of the womens group Pink Inc, and she has a custom Kennedy bike. We had an ongoing issue which wasn't resolved, so I fixed it myself with a few hours research and asking the right questions of my wife on the trainer. Perhaps he is just a bit 'stretched' work & world champion wise to deliver on the customer service i'd expect with a custom built bike.

I don't have an issue with him at all, I stop by his shop from time to time, say hello to both him and Brigid.
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