Wilderness Q&A

maguahiker@gmail.com

> What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? *Wait! *Don't
> answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.
>
> -Beej

LoL...at least we got to the bottom of the PhD...he stayed in college
as long as possible to avoid VIetnam...lol. In fact, he entered for
the sole purpose to avoid but he will never fess up on all those
facts. It was nice to see him at least openly say he did attend while
the war was going on..."but his country decided he was better off
finishing his degree..." lol. Whatever mikey. anyway you spell it, you
remain a fraud.

Onto the Mtbing, etc. Yesterday, I went for a pretty extensive hike at
a local state park...cold and wintry with lotsa snow. He chose to hike
it. It was a strenuous hike and it got me thinking...If Mtbs were gone
from the picture...would mikey go after cross country skiers?
snowshoers? etc? I firmly believe he would go after whoever he could,
because Bi-Polars like Mikey with personality disorders, like Mikey
has...will never be content. There will always be that need for
conflict and drama. Another interesting fact came to mind on the hike
and we talked about this on our trip. There were signs of snowmobiles
on several of the trails. I don't like sleds in general but we talked
about how giving them access to certain areas of the park probably
generates some revenue thus allowing for freedom of use at other times
for us hikers or whoever. We don't have a fee to pay going into the
park...etc. Which we believe will be just around the corner. But it
was just an interesting thought.

Personally, If I felt a admittance fee would help finance trail
maintenance, upkeep, offset general costs, etc. I would be more than
happy...but in this day and age when we should be investing back home
for the people...it is sad to see these projects and parks pushed to
the back of the table and budgets cut so the uppers can stuff their
pockets with oil profits.

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:59:33 -0800 (PST), jheidler1@comcast.net wrote:

>On Feb 29, 11:55*pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> > Nonsense. The government decided the country would be better off with
>> > me finishing my degree, like all the other people who got deferments.
>> > --
>>
>> LoL...just what the country needed at that time. Another Chef. I know
>> more about you than you could ever imagine. Trust me folks. I have
>> called it all so far, he's a fraud and a joke. Even to his own
>> community and others opposing MtBers, he is not respected. Oh, by the
>> way...I thought you didn't read my posts! Berkley rear rider...mikey.
>
>Mr. PHD (Pile it Higher and Deeper) I will gladly help you with your
>venture (wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help?)
>
>Anyone else willing to help? We can all meet Mike with our bikes and
>ride while he hikes to survey the areas that he has in mind for his
>cause. Keep in mind Mike if we ride we will be able to speed of the
>process. The reason we ride, speed and thrills.

Thanks for demonstrating just how idiotic mountain bikers are. Not
that we needed any more proof than we already had.
--
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years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us>
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Then what you all have been saying about not being allowed in various
>>parks & Wildernesses is a LIE: you DO have access, because you can
>>WALK.
>
>Ok. Mountain bikers should have the same access as hikers to all these
>areas. Let's put that on a proposal right now to ebparks.
>
>Then you can go to them and say, "Yeah, but I mean only mountain bikers
>who are hiking." And there can be a blustery debate.

Only among idiots like you, who can't think.

>What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? Wait! Don't
>answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.
>
>-Beej
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:43:58 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> What exactly did happen with you and Sierra Club, Mike? *Wait! *Don't
>> answer that; let me go get a PBJ first.
>>
>> -Beej
>
>LoL...at least we got to the bottom of the PhD...he stayed in college
>as long as possible to avoid VIetnam...lol. In fact, he entered for
>the sole purpose to avoid but he will never fess up on all those
>facts. It was nice to see him at least openly say he did attend while
>the war was going on..."but his country decided he was better off
>finishing his degree..." lol. Whatever mikey. anyway you spell it, you
>remain a fraud.
>
>Onto the Mtbing, etc. Yesterday, I went for a pretty extensive hike at
>a local state park...cold and wintry with lotsa snow. He chose to hike
>it. It was a strenuous hike and it got me thinking...If Mtbs were gone
>from the picture...would mikey go after cross country skiers?
>snowshoers? etc? I firmly believe he would go after whoever he could,
>because Bi-Polars like Mikey with personality disorders, like Mikey
>has...will never be content. There will always be that need for
>conflict and drama. Another interesting fact came to mind on the hike
>and we talked about this on our trip. There were signs of snowmobiles
>on several of the trails. I don't like sleds in general but we talked
>about how giving them access to certain areas of the park probably
>generates some revenue thus allowing for freedom of use at other times
>for us hikers or whoever. We don't have a fee to pay going into the
>park...etc. Which we believe will be just around the corner. But it
>was just an interesting thought.
>
>Personally, If I felt a admittance fee would help finance trail
>maintenance, upkeep, offset general costs, etc. I would be more than
>happy...but in this day and age when we should be investing back home
>for the people...it is sad to see these projects and parks pushed to
>the back of the table and budgets cut so the uppers can stuff their
>pockets with oil profits.

Did you say something? I didn't think so.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

maguahiker@gmail.com

Yep, just as expected...nothing new or original. In fact...not even
any new thoughts, similar to all your copied articles. As usual...you
have nothing to say.

Darryl

On Feb 29, 1:42*pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
> mike, was a coward from the military??

Does that mean his writings would be anything other than obsessive
ravings if he HAD served in the military with medals & honors?

The only difference between a annoying Usenet loon, and a annoying
Usenet distinguished veteran loon is that when the latter finally
snaps & goes on a shooting rampage, the rounds-expended-to-kill ratio
should be lower.

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:42:16 -0800 (PST), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>If you put as much energy into hiking and walking yourself as you do
>flapping your gums and copying other's articles, you could do the
>atlantic to pacific in record time...
>
>Do other people here realize our Berkley "environmental" dietary hero,
>mike, was a coward from the military??

So Muhammed Ali is a "coward" for evading the military? Did you ever
pass first grade? It wouldn't appear so.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

maguahiker@gmail.com

> So Muhammed Ali is a "coward" for evading the military? *Did you ever
> pass first grade? It wouldn't appear so.
> --

Ummm....actually yes and no. Ali was actually rejected because he was
borderline mentally challenged..AKA borderline MR.....i guess that
would work for you also. He and you have much in common...he liked
about the mystery punch in his one match and you lie about
everything...

maguahiker@gmail.com

> So Muhammed Ali is a "coward" for evading the military? Did you ever
> pass first grade? It wouldn't appear so.
> --


Ummm....actually yes and no. Ali was actually rejected because he was
borderline mentally challenged..AKA borderline MR.....i guess that
would work for you also. He and you have much in common...he lied
about the mystery punch in his one match and you lie about
everything...

Roger Woehl

You apparently don't have the qualifications to assess MR. Ali was not/is
not MR. When you gain the qualifications and the actual assessment data
support such a claim, then you might have some credibility.
Roger
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> So Muhammed Ali is a "coward" for evading the military? Did you ever
> pass first grade? It wouldn't appear so.
> --

Ummm....actually yes and no. Ali was actually rejected because he was
borderline mentally challenged..AKA borderline MR.....i guess that
would work for you also. He and you have much in common...he liked
about the mystery punch in his one match and you lie about
everything...

maguahiker@gmail.com

well...I will support my claim as follows...Please note. Borderline
MR. Which means he was limited or LD which is learning disabled.
Mentally challenged or MR is below 70. It is well known that his tests
were doctored up due to his status of an athlete, that is supported by
many sources out there and he still scored only a 78, The man dropped
out of school early in life because he couldn't manage on ANY tests.
Later he reapplied and like any athlete was shuffled through the
systems because he was talented...something that still occurs today.
he ended up graduating practically last of the class and practically
illiiterate. Malcolm X took him under his wing for a short time and he
did actually have some more learning but then he rejected Malcolm X
and moved on as well. The man's IQ was too low to be accepted to the
army...he failed the simple tests and trust me. The army would accept
a great deal during that time. Later...the army dumbed up some of the
tests because they were hungry for anyone to go. Ali refused to go
based on religious convictions. While many other poor bastards out
there went and went even against their beliefs...because hey didn't
have a choice. Being in the limelight and popular due to his record in
the public eye. They didn't pursue it because he was in the center of
attention. But hey, there were TONS of non-direct military roles that
MANY religious minded individuals went into to at least not DODGE the
draft and still fulfill some role for which they were drafted. Many
amish fulfilled various non-combatant roles as well.

So in a nutshell...I do indeed have the background and education to
qualify LD or MR or anything above or in between. So I will always, i
see, have to include every bit of background information on a topic to
support any statements or claims.

kayak144

On Mar 8, 2:10 am, "Roger Woehl" <rwo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> You apparently don't have the qualifications to assess MR. Ali was not/is
> not MR. When you gain the qualifications and the actual assessment data
> support such a claim, then you might have some credibility.

The poster wrote Ali was "borderline" MR. You do know what borderline
means?

Ali's IQ is a 78.

Stanford-Binet

Scores were grouped as "borderline MR" (intelligence quotient (IQ) 71
to 84) and mild to profound MR (IQ less than or equal to 70).

Weschler, intelligence based,
Borderline IQ = 70-79

Dr. Rick Heber, Chair - Amer. Assoc. on Mental Retardation,
Terminology & Retardation,
Borderline IQ = 69-83


Ali was indeed borderline MR.








> Roger<maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:69d7f968-14dc-4d19-80bf-95dbf9426051@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > So Muhammed Ali is a "coward" for evading the military? Did you ever
> > pass first grade? It wouldn't appear so.
> > --
>
> Ummm....actually yes and no. Ali was actually rejected because he was
> borderline mentally challenged..AKA borderline MR.....i guess that
> would work for you also. He and you have much in common...he liked
> about the mystery punch in his one match and you lie about
> everything...

bluezfolk

On Mar 8, 6:43 am, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> well...I will support my claim as follows...Please note. Borderline
> MR. Which means he was limited or LD which is learning disabled.
> Mentally challenged or MR is below 70. It is well known that his tests
> were doctored up due to his status of an athlete, that is supported by
> many sources out there and he still scored only a 78, The man dropped
> out of school early in life because he couldn't manage on ANY tests.
> Later he reapplied and like any athlete was shuffled through the
> systems because he was talented...something that still occurs today.
> he ended up graduating practically last of the class and practically
> illiiterate. Malcolm X took him under his wing for a short time and he
> did actually have some more learning but then he rejected Malcolm X
> and moved on as well. The man's IQ was too low to be accepted to the
> army...he failed the simple tests and trust me. The army would accept
> a great deal during that time. Later...the army dumbed up some of the
> tests because they were hungry for anyone to go. Ali refused to go
> based on religious convictions. While many other poor bastards out
> there went and went even against their beliefs...because hey didn't
> have a choice. Being in the limelight and popular due to his record in
> the public eye. They didn't pursue it because he was in the center of
> attention. But hey, there were TONS of non-direct military roles that
> MANY religious minded individuals went into to at least not DODGE the
> draft and still fulfill some role for which they were drafted. Many
> amish fulfilled various non-combatant roles as well.
>
> So in a nutshell...I do indeed have the background and education to
> qualify LD or MR or anything above or in between. So I will always, i
> see, have to include every bit of background information on a topic to
> support any statements or claims.

Why did Ali go to jail? I thought it had to do with his refusal to
serve, but if the Army didn't pursue that I guess I thought wrong.

maguahiker@gmail.com

> Why did Ali go to jail? *I thought it had to do with his refusal to
> serve, but if the Army didn't pursue that I guess I thought wrong.- Hide quoted text -
>


No, You are right...he did many things wrong. He did go to jail. It
wasn't for very long though, i think maybe 3 months max though he was
sentenced to 5 years, They released him. He was stripped of his title
for the conviction accordingly and on a 3 year ban where he went off
to various colleges to talk about his lifetime.

Interesting is the fact their was the draft starting in 1964 which
coincides with his conversion to islam that same year. how
conveniant. He used wonderful comments, watch some of his pre-match
comments, I especially love the one where he stands there with the
mouth open, and then splurts out of subject comments calling one
opponent..."he look like a big ugly bear'...Wow. The wisdom! Then ther
was the "phantom punch" where Liston threw the match, basically
because he was afraid due to death threats from the famed "nation of
Islam" that ali had joined. This is all facts folks. Look them up. It
is also known that many of his speeches were pre-written by others
because he allowed to speak himself, he could not openly talk,
example. When talking about women boxing..."Women are not made to be
hit in the breast, and face like that... the body's not made to be
punched right here [patting his chest]. Get hit in the breast...
hard... and all that". Despite this great admiration for women...he
treated women like SHIT and did not follow any of the customs he so
desperately wanted to portray for the nation of islam by marrying over
4 times and even having children on the side to others while married.

So in regards to various history...which I love to read about and
study closely. Just to be clear, He was indeed Borderline MR and LD or
learning disabled...as some of his children born in extramarital
affairs also display the LD diagnosis. I guess it is just in the genes.