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How far on 8 hours a week?

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Old 17-03.-2008, 02:42 PM   #46
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By definition a CTL of 100 is a load equal to riding a full hour at FTP every day for the last 3 months.


I thought CTL was generally based on the default value of 42 days. Is there more to the maths if you don't change the CTL constant of 42.
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Old 17-03.-2008, 04:18 PM   #47
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Were you trying a lot of high end work as part of the mix as in chasing 20 minute or 5 minute records frequently during your training? Did you have a lot of L5 and or L6 workouts during that period? Were you diligent about refueling with carbs and some protein in the critical half hour after each workout?( http://www.mysports101.com/a.php?a=17 ) Were you dealing with other unexpected life stresses?
Yes.. I've been chasing 20 and 5 min records at least once a week, I should really cut back on that stuff. I usually have one dedicated L5/L6 workout per week, also go L5+ (at least a couple times) on a weekly long group ride (240-300 TSS ride, about half my weekly TSS). I think it could be an intensity thing with me... too much of it too much of the time. Looking at IF for my last 15 workouts, I've only had 4 that were under .90.

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I find dropping back to a week or two of concentrated SST work can be really refreshing if I've dug a bit too deep and can help me break through power plateaus and staleness. Anyway a soft week can still move you forward but not quite as aggressively as what you've been doing.

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I'll replace some workouts this week with SST rides, and take down the IF a little... Thanks again.
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Old 17-03.-2008, 07:03 PM   #48
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I thought CTL was generally based on the default value of 42 days. Is there more to the maths if you don't change the CTL constant of 42.
CTL is based on an exponentially weighted average with a time constant half life of 42 days, hence more recent workouts count more than those 6 weeks back and more again for those 10 weeks back etc. Dave was just simplifying it (correctly) by saying that in effect, you'd need to be consistently riding at that level of daily TSS for around 3 months to bring CTL up towards that number. Maybe even longer.

Say for example you started with a CTL of zero and then rode 100 TSS / day every day thereafter. This is what would happen to CTL:



As you can see, after 90 days at this level, you are still only at a CTL of 89 TSS/day and after 120 days @ 94 TSS/day.

However let's assume you started with some CTL, say 50 TSS/day, then this is what it would look like:



As you can see, after 90 days at this level, your CTL is 94 TSS/day and after 120 days @ 97 TSS/day.

Of course nobody's training looks like that in terms of daily TSS, so the line CTL line tends to bump around a bit.

Let's apply a more "realistic" weekly training patter of 700 TSS/week spread out with longer rides on the weekend, Monday rest day, shorter rides Tue-Thu and a recovery ride on Friday. This is what it would start to look like from a CTL of zero:



Throw in schedule changes, missed days, recovery, different loads, races, etc etc and the real world CTL fluctuates even more.
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Old 17-03.-2008, 08:25 PM   #49
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Awesome post alex
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Old 17-03.-2008, 10:57 PM   #50
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CTL is based on an exponentially weighted average with a time constant half life of 42 days, ...
I should have said with a DEFAULT time constant of 42 days. You can of course make that time constant whatevever you like although it is not particularly sensitive to changes +/- 10 days.

ATL is the same, all that happens is the time constant is much shorter (default is 7 days) and so it is much more reactive to the most recent training. As a result, ATL is more senstive to changes in the TC.
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Old 18-03.-2008, 02:09 AM   #51
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CTL is based on an exponentially weighted average with a time constant half life of 42 days, hence more recent workouts count more than those 6 weeks back and more again for those 10 weeks back etc. ....
A picture(or 3) is definitely worth a thousand words. Nice post Alex.
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Old 18-03.-2008, 02:50 AM   #52
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for instance in the winter on half my summer training load i can after pull off numbers pretty similar to what i can do in the summer but put me in a stage race or long road race on that training load and i'd get blown away.. FTP isn't everything... and other than a few prologues, how did Boarman do in the actual racing out on the road? pretty bad on the road in a real race... that should tell you something. being able to pull off a single effort in perfect conditon with lots of rest etc does not a road racer make.

I guess a few stage wins in the Dauphine, Midi Libre, the Tour of Valencia, more than a few days in the leaders jersey at the Tour of Catalogne and a stage win or two to boot and lets not forget in 93, as an amateur, he took on all the pro teams in Britain and pretty much single handedly won the Tour of Lancashire.... and I guess we should just forget too a pittyful tally of 3 hour records. Shameful isn't it....
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