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28-03.-2008, 12:27 PM

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Cyclingnews had the following story today.

What Klodi says sounds reasonable, regarding the "express-delivery & refrigerated package"

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Andreas Klöden of Team Astana is fuming about being named in the German doping investigation. Press reports have said that his former team-mate Patrik Sinkewitz named him as being present on a trip to the Freiburg clinic prior to the 2006 Tour de France where Sinkewitz admitted to blood doping.

"From a distance I have followed a discussion in Germany, which I can barely stand. It is shocking, how groundless speculation arises, which puts a burden on individuals and their families," Klöden said on his web site.

Last week the the independent commission investigating the Freiburg University Clinic and doping at Team Telekom/T-Mobile issued a report, in which Klöden's name appeared in one sentence, "A further bill from March 9, 2000, referred to a medication delivery worth 1000 Deutsche Mark to Frau Bettina Jurkat, the then-girlfriend and now wife of Andreas Klöden." Speculation among the German media and public has equated this with a shipment of doping products.

"There were no concrete doping charges made against me," the 32-year old noted. "But in spite of that, this one sentence was enough to excite the fantasy of many. Did none of them see that the commission's report contained no comment as to what was in the delivery? Or was it just easier not to ask about such facts?"

He continued, "Every member of the T-Mobile Team and many other athletes will be able to confirm that in our sports medicine care, packages containing legal medications, vitamins or nutritional supplements were routinely sent to athletes. It was nothing unusual to receive a package from Freiburg. The conclusion that this delivery to me was connected with doping is simply false."

Klöden then went on to explain the circumstances of that package. "The truth is that obviously a package was addressed to my wife on March 8, 2000, because from March 4 to 13, I was far away, riding for my team in Paris-Nice - which I just happened to win. Because my wife was working in Berlin at the time, she picked up the package from the post office somewhat later - and so much for comments about 'express delivery' or 'refrigerated medications.'"

"It is too bad that we cyclists have to put up with this speculation, and that so much of it goes over an acceptable limit. I am also astounded at how casually patient information is publicly misinterpreted. I have asked my attorneys to keep an eye on further developments and to protect my rights."

28-03.-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_S

Cyclingnews had the following story today.

What Klodi says sounds reasonable, regarding the "express-delivery & refrigerated package"

Were the Freiburg Docs former East German doping doctors?

28-03.-2008, 12:34 PM

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Were the Freiburg Docs former East German doping doctors?

do we have any way to back up that the medical shipment was not refrigerated?

can we qualify if Kloden was racing when it was addressed to his now wife?

I do not see why we should axiomatically confer belief over what Kloden says, tho I would not assume the press got it right neither.

28-03.-2008, 12:38 PM

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It was insured for 1000 DM. Those were expensive vitamins.

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28-03.-2008, 12:39 PM

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Were the Freiburg Docs former East German doping doctors?

Don't know.

Also the delivery in question should (in theory) be easy to check out.
The post office would have records of when they received it and when it was picked up.
If it was a refrigerated item then I don't think post offices would handle them would they?

28-03.-2008, 12:42 PM

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cool packs. not stored in refrigeration transit

28-03.-2008, 12:47 PM

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It was insured for 1000 DM. Those were expensive vitamins.

I thought that was the bill amount paid... rather than the insurance. Same diff though.

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28-03.-2008, 12:54 PM

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I thought that was the bill amount paid... rather than the insurance. Same diff though.

Other soruces say that it was insured for that amount. I suppose you would have to make more info about how the mailing service that was used works. Was an actual payment for 1000 DM of insurance paid. Is there a range of range of values that you can select from, so you naturally select the highest value in the range? Do you simply have to declare the value of the contents of any package? I guess there are several scenarios.

28-03.-2008, 01:01 PM

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The other question is why would these cyclists be dealing with a university to get vitamins and medications? A university that has been implicated in doping athletes. There is no way that the university would be in the business of commercially selling over-the-counter products. Anything that was not over the counter has to be suspicious as possibly being some form of dope.

You'd think that the truth is going to eventually come out in any case.

28-03.-2008, 01:06 PM

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crank, remember it was less a uni and more their tmob operational division in this context - dual roles.

28-03.-2008, 01:11 PM

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crank, remember it was less a uni and more their tmob operational division in this context - dual roles.

The T-Mobile Vitamins and Minerals Research Program.

28-03.-2008, 01:12 PM

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You'd think that the truth is going to eventually come out in any case.

It's only a matter of time before someone at Freiburg is asked what was in the package. They might not even have to do that. Investigators could match the shipment with Freiburg's purchases or inventory.

28-03.-2008, 01:12 PM

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The T-Mobile Vitamins and Minerals Research Program.

your message is too shot, please add a pejorative

28-03.-2008, 01:14 PM

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The T-Mobile Vitamins and Minerals Research Program.

Maybe they're prenatal vitamins...

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28-03.-2008, 01:14 PM

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but the uni would not have had a catalogued inventory. They would have got stuff for nix from the big pharma industries.

One of the major sponsors of German cycling was a german pharma.

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