Mountain Bikers Lobby to Get Bikes Allowed in Wilderness!

Siskuwihane

On Apr 5, 2:30*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 08:20:24 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
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> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 5, 4:51*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:35:13 -0700 (PDT), "maguahi...@gmail.com"
>
> >> <maguahi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >LOL...you're so pyschotic dude! My name is all over now and you still
> >> >hide behind the picture comment without facing up to any questions.
>
> >> Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:
>
> >> "I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
> >> trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
> >> a laugh.
>
> >>http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"
>
> >> You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
>
> >And you'll never live down using commercial airlines for your selfish
> >transportation needs to international conferences.
>
> Obviously, the only people who care are those not honest enough to
> even use their real name.

Stop using air transportation Mike, it makes you a hypocrite.

maguahiker@gmail.com

you stated...
I never lie, because the facts are on my side! That doesn't explain
why YOU choose to deliberately lie:


Ok...so the picture was a lie? or was it making fun? Guess what...if
that is the worst you can come up with...God help you because you are
hopeless. everyone knew it wasn't you so how is that a lie? Besides
the fact I didn't even use your name you tard. Now onto your continous
lies...another one above with you stating you don't lie...haha

Ok...so here we touch on very very few of the tons of misinformation
out there...
I never said I wrote a book, even though I did.

-so which is it...you liar.

I never said I flew from the airport. I walked to the airport
-first...that proved to be a lie in walking to the airport. Next,
what did you do there, go to the stores...a little shopping, a snack
or two? No...you went because you flew down to a conference but
couldn't even admit to that part...because you are a liar

I never got kicked out of Sierra Club.
-ok...i see a pattern of half truths and avoidance...this way you
avoid being a direct phony. For instance...I walked to the
airport...Or "KICKED" out of the sierra club...after all...you were
"VOTED OUT" but essentially you got ousted because they couldn't stand
you. similar to all the forums here. no one can stand you.

Now. over and over. You lie and state I never gave my name...and
continue to say this yet it is now everywhere. This makes you a
LIAR!!!!

answer this question. My, mike v's entire website is comprised of
everyone else's quotes and link to everyone else's artlces...and NO
INFO BY ME? what's the answer, yes or no? It is YES...and literary
reviews don't count...otherwise siskel and ebert could say they made
movies...which would be a lie...but then again...you like to lie.



so why do you talk with forked tongue?

Siskuwihane

On Apr 5, 3:46*pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> you stated...
> I never lie, because the facts are on my side! That doesn't explain
> why YOU choose to deliberately lie:
>
> Ok...so the picture was a lie? or was it making fun? Guess what...if
> that is the worst you can come up with...God help you because you are
> hopeless. *everyone knew it wasn't you so how is that a lie? Besides
> the fact I didn't even use your name you tard. Now onto your continous
> lies...another one above with you stating you don't lie...haha
>
> Ok...so here we touch on very very few of the tons of misinformation
> out there...
> I never said I wrote a book, even though I did.
>
> -so which is it...you liar.
>
> I never said I flew from the airport. I walked to the airport
> *-first...that proved to be a lie in walking to the airport. Next,
> what did you do there, go to the stores...a little shopping, a snack
> or two? No...you went because you flew down to a conference but
> couldn't even admit to that part...because you are a liar
>
> I never got kicked out of Sierra Club.
> -ok...i see a pattern of half truths and avoidance...this way you
> avoid being a direct phony. For instance...I walked to the
> airport...Or "KICKED" out of the sierra club...after all...you were
> "VOTED OUT" but essentially you got ousted because they couldn't stand
> you. similar to all the forums here. no one can stand you.
>
> Now. over and over. You lie and state I never gave my name...and
> continue to say this yet it is now everywhere. This makes you a
> LIAR!!!!
>
> answer this question. My, mike v's entire website is comprised of
> everyone else's quotes and link to everyone else's artlces...and NO
> INFO BY ME? what's the answer, yes or no? It is YES...and literary
> reviews don't count...otherwise siskel and ebert could say they made
> movies...which would be a lie...but then again...you like to lie.
>
> so why do you talk with forked tongue?

Why did Mike devote an entire thread to you on the mountain-bike group
when you are not a mountain biker?
Is he's delusional?

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>you stated...
>I never lie, because the facts are on my side! That doesn't explain
>why YOU choose to deliberately lie:
>
>
>Ok...so the picture was a lie? or was it making fun?

Making fun through LYING, unlike honest people.

Guess what...if
>that is the worst you can come up with...God help you because you are
>hopeless. everyone knew it wasn't you so how is that a lie? Besides
>the fact I didn't even use your name you tard.

So you just LIED about someone else? Same difference.

Now onto your continous
>lies...another one above with you stating you don't lie...haha
>
>Ok...so here we touch on very very few of the tons of misinformation
>out there...
>I never said I wrote a book, even though I did.
>
>-so which is it...you liar.
>
>I never said I flew from the airport. I walked to the airport
> -first...that proved to be a lie in walking to the airport. Next,
>what did you do there, go to the stores...a little shopping, a snack
>or two? No...you went because you flew down to a conference but
>couldn't even admit to that part...because you are a liar
>
>I never got kicked out of Sierra Club.
>-ok...i see a pattern of half truths and avoidance...this way you
>avoid being a direct phony. For instance...I walked to the
>airport...Or "KICKED" out of the sierra club...after all...you were
>"VOTED OUT" but essentially you got ousted because they couldn't stand
>you. similar to all the forums here. no one can stand you.
>
>Now. over and over. You lie and state I never gave my name...and
>continue to say this yet it is now everywhere. This makes you a
>LIAR!!!!
>
>answer this question. My, mike v's entire website is comprised of
>everyone else's quotes and link to everyone else's artlces...and NO
>INFO BY ME? what's the answer, yes or no? It is YES...and literary
>reviews don't count...otherwise siskel and ebert could say they made
>movies...which would be a lie...but then again...you like to lie.
>
>
>
>so why do you talk with forked tongue?

I don't, LIAR. Everything I said is true. A LIAR wouldn't understand,
because you think everyone LIES, like you do.

Still waiting for your explanation of why you deliberately LIED:

"I found this picture of Mike Vanderman protesting a bike race...he is
trying to run down the biker...that crazy Mike!! He's always good for
a laugh.

http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/nugget-thumb.jpg"

You aren't going to live this down, until you admit your dishonesty.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 5, 3:46*pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> you stated...
>> I never lie, because the facts are on my side! That doesn't explain
>> why YOU choose to deliberately lie:
>>
>> Ok...so the picture was a lie? or was it making fun? Guess what...if
>> that is the worst you can come up with...God help you because you are
>> hopeless. *everyone knew it wasn't you so how is that a lie? Besides
>> the fact I didn't even use your name you tard. Now onto your continous
>> lies...another one above with you stating you don't lie...haha
>>
>> Ok...so here we touch on very very few of the tons of misinformation
>> out there...
>> I never said I wrote a book, even though I did.
>>
>> -so which is it...you liar.
>>
>> I never said I flew from the airport. I walked to the airport
>> *-first...that proved to be a lie in walking to the airport. Next,
>> what did you do there, go to the stores...a little shopping, a snack
>> or two? No...you went because you flew down to a conference but
>> couldn't even admit to that part...because you are a liar
>>
>> I never got kicked out of Sierra Club.
>> -ok...i see a pattern of half truths and avoidance...this way you
>> avoid being a direct phony. For instance...I walked to the
>> airport...Or "KICKED" out of the sierra club...after all...you were
>> "VOTED OUT" but essentially you got ousted because they couldn't stand
>> you. similar to all the forums here. no one can stand you.
>>
>> Now. over and over. You lie and state I never gave my name...and
>> continue to say this yet it is now everywhere. This makes you a
>> LIAR!!!!
>>
>> answer this question. My, mike v's entire website is comprised of
>> everyone else's quotes and link to everyone else's artlces...and NO
>> INFO BY ME? what's the answer, yes or no? It is YES...and literary
>> reviews don't count...otherwise siskel and ebert could say they made
>> movies...which would be a lie...but then again...you like to lie.
>>
>> so why do you talk with forked tongue?
>
>Why did Mike devote an entire thread to you on the mountain-bike group
>when you are not a mountain biker?
>Is he's delusional?

Because he's a LIAR.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Siskuwihane

On Apr 5, 5:58*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 5, 3:46*pm, "maguahi...@gmail.com" <maguahi...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> you stated...
> >> I never lie, because the facts are on my side! That doesn't explain
> >> why YOU choose to deliberately lie:
>
> >> Ok...so the picture was a lie? or was it making fun? Guess what...if
> >> that is the worst you can come up with...God help you because you are
> >> hopeless. *everyone knew it wasn't you so how is that a lie? Besides
> >> the fact I didn't even use your name you tard. Now onto your continous
> >> lies...another one above with you stating you don't lie...haha
>
> >> Ok...so here we touch on very very few of the tons of misinformation
> >> out there...
> >> I never said I wrote a book, even though I did.
>
> >> -so which is it...you liar.
>
> >> I never said I flew from the airport. I walked to the airport
> >> *-first...that proved to be a lie in walking to the airport. Next,
> >> what did you do there, go to the stores...a little shopping, a snack
> >> or two? No...you went because you flew down to a conference but
> >> couldn't even admit to that part...because you are a liar
>
> >> I never got kicked out of Sierra Club.
> >> -ok...i see a pattern of half truths and avoidance...this way you
> >> avoid being a direct phony. For instance...I walked to the
> >> airport...Or "KICKED" out of the sierra club...after all...you were
> >> "VOTED OUT" but essentially you got ousted because they couldn't stand
> >> you. similar to all the forums here. no one can stand you.
>
> >> Now. over and over. You lie and state I never gave my name...and
> >> continue to say this yet it is now everywhere. This makes you a
> >> LIAR!!!!
>
> >> answer this question. My, mike v's entire website is comprised of
> >> everyone else's quotes and link to everyone else's artlces...and NO
> >> INFO BY ME? what's the answer, yes or no? It is YES...and literary
> >> reviews don't count...otherwise siskel and ebert could say they made
> >> movies...which would be a lie...but then again...you like to lie.
>
> >> so why do you talk with forked tongue?
>
> >Why did Mike devote an entire thread to you on the mountain-bike group
> >when you are not a mountain biker?
> >Is he's delusional?
>
> Because he's a LIAR.


Mike, I am sorry to hear that 3 airlines went bankrupt this week, that
must really put a damper on your weekend. I would suggest you go
hiking but I know someone who spends their life chasing windmills
doesn't have time to enjoy the outdoors.

maguahiker@gmail.com

AND FINALLY...Mike admits it. Straight from the above thread HE wrote
and responded..here it is

>> so why do you talk with forked tongue?
>Why did Mike devote an entire thread to you on the mountain-bike group
>when you are not a mountain biker?
>Is he's delusional?

Because he's a LIAR.
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

His answer...BECAUSE HE'S A LIAR...in talking about HImself. Read
it...FINALLY. It is nice to see you break outta that shell mike.
Congrats. The first step is admitting it.

I am enjoying the great weather today....it is outside where you
should spend some time Mike. Mike, honesty...who is your favorite
authors? I am curious.

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:11:20 -0700 (PDT), "maguahiker@gmail.com"
<maguahiker@gmail.com> wrote:

>AND FINALLY...Mike admits it. Straight from the above thread HE wrote
>and responded..here it is
>
>>> so why do you talk with forked tongue?
>>Why did Mike devote an entire thread to you on the mountain-bike group
>>when you are not a mountain biker?
>>Is he's delusional?
>
>Because he's a LIAR.
>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>His answer...BECAUSE HE'S A LIAR...in talking about HImself. Read
>it...FINALLY. It is nice to see you break outta that shell mike.
>Congrats. The first step is admitting it.
>
>I am enjoying the great weather today....it is outside where you
>should spend some time Mike. Mike, honesty...who is your favorite
>authors? I am curious.

Not curious enough to read my website. DUH!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mjv1
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/biblio
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

SMS

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> I think you are on the wrong side of this one Vandeman. The author makes
> several valid points about you and he having common goals, but because
> you are a crybaby you shut him out of the table where the common ground
> can be leveraged to arrive at a conservation plan that works for all.
> There is plenty of room in the wilderness for transient visitors of all
> types. What wilderness can not sustain is any form of permanant encampment.

Self-powered transportation should be allowed in the wilderness. What
needs to be banned in the wilderness is any kind of motorized transport,
as well as domesticated animals such as dogs and horses.