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28-03.-2008, 11:25 PM

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Dunno if you will get a real answer Pete. These guys have strong likes and dislikes which are irrational. For instance, why would the folk in The Cult worship Astana and equate it to an American team, and hate the guts of Slipstream which is more of an American team? Ok, we know it has something to do with Vaughters, etc. but still...

and their fantasies to fellate bruyneel eh bambi and cyclenut

28-03.-2008, 11:37 PM

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You are probably right. I guess it does not have to be rational - I do not particularly like Freire, not because he has done something especially nasty - I respect him as a great rider but am not overjoyed when he wins an important race I would have rathered one of the riders I like more wins - I think there is a bit of an irrational streak in all sports fans...

Just a curiosity. I do not follow the American end of cycling so I must admit that I do not know what the whole love/hate thing with Astana/Slipstream and Vaughters is all about...

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29-03.-2008, 12:35 AM

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and their fantasies to fellate bruyneel eh bambi and cyclenut

Who knows...maybe they are already doing it with a statue of JB. After all, The Cult is almost like an organized religion given some of the posts there.

29-03.-2008, 02:08 AM

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Just a curiosity. I do not follow the American end of cycling so I must admit that I do not know what the whole love/hate thing with Astana/Slipstream and Vaughters is all about...

People just like to pick sides and argue...at least that is why I hate the things I hate. I justify my hatred with attributes the hated have that I find objectionable; but really, it is all about needing someone at whom I can look and say "fuck that guy/gal/animal/corporation/organization/country" so that when I lay my head down on my pillow, I know someone is lower than me in terms of my spectrum of judgment.

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29-03.-2008, 03:52 AM

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Re: DiLuca A.K.A. The Count of Monte Cristo

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Just a curiosity. I do not follow the American end of cycling so I must admit that I do not know what the whole love/hate thing with Astana/Slipstream and Vaughters is all about...

Someone here can confirm this, but I thought dear old Lance has a thing against Vaughters and Slipstream to the point of even vowing to sink the team. Now, that last part is what I've read here or there on the internet and it is not from solid sources.

However, if Lance does not like Slipstream, it is safe to assume all members of the Cult will dislike Slipstream too.

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29-03.-2008, 04:39 AM

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Now let's see... Lance is against riders who break the omerta and talk about doping in cycling... and he has a thing against Cleanteam Slipstream... but he has never doped in his life and is presumably against doping in cycling. Hmmmm.....

You'd think he'd be rooting for them to do well, because it might help his claim that you can beat people riding clean. Personal differences with Vaughters notwithstanding.

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29-03.-2008, 04:51 AM

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There is the famous text message conversation between Vaughters and... Andreu I think that basically says that doping was going on. But Vaughters never said publicly that Armstrong doped.

Slipstream's major claim to fame is their vocal anti-doping, clean racing. And they are truly an American team. Well that implies that all other American teams (cough cough discovery/usps) were not clean, and imho that's why the Astana super-fans hate Slipstream. And to really bug them, versus, bicycling mag, velonews have all changed their dicovery focus to slipstream...

29-03.-2008, 04:53 AM

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Thanks for clarifying, now I understand a bit better.

In all fairness to the US press, I guess there is not much to talk about regarding Discovery/Astana at the moment, so they have to talk about Slipstream...

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29-03.-2008, 05:11 AM

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May I ask why him in particular. Sure, it is obvious he dopes, and wins, like a few other guys... just curious...

You have to give DiLuca props for being able to win one day classics as well as a GT. That is, unfortunately, not common these days. Riders don't even try.

Maybe if Evans continues riding well in April, he could pull it off.

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29-03.-2008, 07:38 AM	#25
limerickman Community Team Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: at the bar Posts: 12,487	Re: DiLuca A.K.A. The Count of Monte Cristo I've got time for DiLuca. In interviews he comes across as a guy who speaks his mind, he puts his reputation on the line by stating his objectives and he normally achieves those objectives in the races that he speaks about. When he finished 4th in the Giro (2006?? or was it 2005??), I thought it was the best GT of the past decade or so. DiLuca never gave up the fight. __________________ .."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF morelike hypocrisy.

29-03.-2008, 08:36 AM

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I've got time for DiLuca.
In interviews he comes across as a guy who speaks his mind, he puts his reputation on the line by stating his objectives and he normally achieves those objectives in the races that he speaks about.

When he finished 4th in the Giro (2006?? or was it 2005??), I thought it was the best GT of the past decade or so.
DiLuca never gave up the fight.

Lim, you are right, he is tough competitor and, doped or not, does deliver the goods in terms of classics and the Giro. Not too many other riders that are able to show that kind of palmares...

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29-03.-2008, 08:48 AM

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Re: DiLuca A.K.A. The Count of Monte Cristo

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Lim, you are right, he is tough competitor and, doped or not, does deliver the goods in terms of classics and the Giro. Not too many other riders that are able to show that kind of palmares...

But he wasn't on the list of riders that had to be available for out-of-competition testing (not last year at least). He could prepare however he wanted to, unlike most of his rivals, so I'm not impressed.

29-03.-2008, 09:41 AM

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Didn't he earn that free pass by riding like crap comparitively in 2006 when he was under the microscope? All I remember is that he was almost an afterthought as a possible winner before last year's Giro.

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29-03.-2008, 11:15 AM	#29
huboon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Burbank, California USA Posts: 103	Re: DiLuca A.K.A. The Count of Monte Cristo Seeing DiLuca yelling in anger as Gasparotto crossed the line first in last year's Giro TTT bugged me. Afterward he tried to brush it off, but I saw it as one of those character-defining spontaneous moments. Since then I look at him as petulant Eurotrash. ==edit== http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2...DILUCA_GIRO1206 Last edited by huboon : 29-03.-2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason: add link

29-03.-2008, 12:56 PM

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Re: DiLuca A.K.A. The Count of Monte Cristo

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Seeing DiLuca yelling in anger as Gasparotto crossed the line first in last year's Giro TTT bugged me. Afterward he tried to brush it off, but I saw it as one of those character-defining spontaneous moments. Since then I look at him as petulant Eurotrash.

+1 And how can you like someone nick-named "the killer!" - oooohh scary.

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