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Old 08-04.-2008, 03:21 AM   #16
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low wind = Good Chung

For Crr, with good tires on good roads with normal temperatures, the range of 0.004 to 0.006 should about cover it. Chipseal -> who knows!!! Gravel or trails? dont' even think about it.

My approach lately is to run it across five Crr cases: 0.004, 0.0045, 0.005, 0.0055, 0.006. It's pretty quick to do that as you know by now.

One test isn't going to give you a 'confident' estimate anyway but do enough across a reasonable Crr range and the data should converge.

For the Pr2, on good roads and say ~20C temps or higher, 0.0045 would be my single best estimate.


Great thanks. I will report back when I do my next round of testing. I have lots of ideas on how to improve those CdA numbers.

I think the single worst thing I did on my recent 40k TT, was to fasten my number to my side, with just safety pins in the corners. I could actually hear it buzzing during my run. I think it may have neglected any savings I would've gotten with my TT helmet. Next time I'll be wearing a skin-suit, and gluing the number to my back.. any suggestions on how not to ruin my suit?
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Old 08-04.-2008, 04:09 AM   #17
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...Next time I'll be wearing a skin-suit, and gluing the number to my back.. any suggestions on how not to ruin my suit?
I just pin the number on and tape the edges flat against my skinsuit. Never tried glueing on a number, sounds messy.

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Old 08-04.-2008, 06:47 AM   #18
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Next time I'll be wearing a skin-suit, and gluing the number to my back.. any suggestions on how not to ruin my suit?


If you're using something like 3M's #77 (?) Photomount adhesive, then here's what I've found works best:

1) make sure you put your number on before you've warmed up and gotten your skinsuit all sweaty;

2) spray a moderate layer of the adhesive onto the back of the number, making sure to overlap your passes and go beyond the edges;

3) allow the solvent in the adhesive to evaporate for one to several minutes;

4) apply number;

5) remove promptly after the event;

6) do not, under any circumstances, wash the skinsuit with the number attached.

I've found that by following these steps (esp. 3-6), build-up of residual glue on the skinsuit is minimal, such that I can get at least a season's worth of wear out of it before the 'crud' starts to accumulate.
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Old 08-04.-2008, 08:44 AM   #19
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If you're using something like 3M's #77 (?) Photomount adhesive, then here's what I've found works best:

1) make sure you put your number on before you've warmed up and gotten your skinsuit all sweaty;

2) spray a moderate layer of the adhesive onto the back of the number, making sure to overlap your passes and go beyond the edges;

3) allow the solvent in the adhesive to evaporate for one to several minutes;

4) apply number;

5) remove promptly after the event;

6) do not, under any circumstances, wash the skinsuit with the number attached.

I've found that by following these steps (esp. 3-6), build-up of residual glue on the skinsuit is minimal, such that I can get at least a season's worth of wear out of it before the 'crud' starts to accumulate.

Try rubbing the 'crud' with baby oil before putting it in the wash.
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Old 09-04.-2008, 02:09 AM   #20
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If you're using something like 3M's #77 (?) Photomount adhesive, then here's what I've found works best:

1) make sure you put your number on before you've warmed up and gotten your skinsuit all sweaty;

2) spray a moderate layer of the adhesive onto the back of the number, making sure to overlap your passes and go beyond the edges;

3) allow the solvent in the adhesive to evaporate for one to several minutes;

4) apply number;

5) remove promptly after the event;

6) do not, under any circumstances, wash the skinsuit with the number attached.

I've found that by following these steps (esp. 3-6), build-up of residual glue on the skinsuit is minimal, such that I can get at least a season's worth of wear out of it before the 'crud' starts to accumulate.


Excellent, thanks much. I checked the 3M website and looks like they have an art adhesive that is washable (according to some retailers), 6065. I'll give that a shot, following your steps.
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Old 09-04.-2008, 05:26 AM   #21
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2nd on the ISM. I've switched even on my road bike. Hardly any numbness ever.
Do you use the ISM for road racing/crits? Have you had to alter the seat with anything to bring the tips together?

Sorry to change the subject, just curious.
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Old 09-04.-2008, 01:32 PM   #22
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If you're using something like 3M's #77 (?) Photomount adhesive, then here's what I've found works best:

1) make sure you put your number on before you've warmed up and gotten your skinsuit all sweaty;

2) spray a moderate layer of the adhesive onto the back of the number, making sure to overlap your passes and go beyond the edges;

3) allow the solvent in the adhesive to evaporate for one to several minutes;

4) apply number;

5) remove promptly after the event;

6) do not, under any circumstances, wash the skinsuit with the number attached.

I've found that by following these steps (esp. 3-6), build-up of residual glue on the skinsuit is minimal, such that I can get at least a season's worth of wear out of it before the 'crud' starts to accumulate.


Any tips on how you apply the number when you're at an event by yourself? I've found that I usually do a better job of placing a glued number on other folks than they do for me

When pinning a number on, I always rely on the "steering wheel" trick and I can typically do a decent (if I must say so myself) job that way...I need something equivalent for number gluing.
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Old 09-04.-2008, 01:35 PM   #23
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Any tips on how you apply the number when you're at an event by yourself? I've found that I usually do a better job of placing a glued number on other folks than they do for me


Tip #1 - never let someone racing the same category as you are pin or glue your number on.
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Old 09-04.-2008, 08:05 PM   #24
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Any tips on how you apply the number when you're at an event by yourself? I've found that I usually do a better job of placing a glued number on other folks than they do for me

When pinning a number on, I always rely on the "steering wheel" trick and I can typically do a decent (if I must say so myself) job that way...I need something equivalent for number gluing.

can't say I've ever glued one on but one tip is to crumple up the number first before either pinning or glueing it. Keep it down the "ass" rather than up on the back as well. think Armstrong rather than Ullrich
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Old 11-04.-2008, 07:47 AM   #25
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FYI.. I received the ISM saddle yesterday. I'm still dialing in the saddle height on my TT bike, so only spent a little time on the trainer with it.. but I think it will solve all my issues with numbness. It did not feel too wide, and I did not feel the usual pressure in the perineum region. It also has a very short front portion, which allows for a much steeper riding position. I was able to setup the saddle in the front position of my seatpost, and still stay UCI legal.

Why didn't someone come out with this design 20 years ago?!
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Old 13-04.-2008, 01:27 PM   #26
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First ride with the ISM saddle this afternoon. It works as advertised, no numbness what-so-ever. No pressure on the perineum. My sit bone was getting uncomfortable after about an hour, but those areas should adjust. Better sitting on that muscle than that bundle of tender stuff.
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