Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:13:17 +0200, Jens Müller
<usenet-11-2007@tessarakt.de> wrote:

>What is formal clothing? A suit, complete with a tie?

That's "semi-formal".

Formal means tuxedo & tails! <G>

Jens Müller

Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y) schrieb:
> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:13:17 +0200, Jens Müller
> <usenet-11-2007@tessarakt.de> wrote:
>
>> What is formal clothing? A suit, complete with a tie?
>
> That's "semi-formal".
>
> Formal means tuxedo & tails! <G>

Uh hu ...

I think there's probably no word than for the kind of clothing I'm
wearing at work ... Jeans and sweatshirt, or shorts and T-shirt in
summer ...

Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:19:36 +0200, Jens Müller
<usenet-11-2007@tessarakt.de> wrote:



<http://www.dateline.ucdavis.edu/photos_images/dateline_images/060603/johnmeyeronbike1.jpg>

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 5, 1:09*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 11:13*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Apr 5, 1:58*am, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 4, 9:27*am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
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> > > > The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> > > > and this and that. *That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> > > > group of people. *That public investment could probably go for better
> > > > uses.
>
> > > There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
> > > the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
> > > alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
> > > probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
> > > there are bike lane boosters.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob Hunt
>
> > I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES.
>
> > But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking
> > is POLITICAL WILL!- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> I have a meeting on Monday. *It's 240 miles east of here and it'll end
> at about 7:00 PM. *Should I take my bike or drive at 20 mph. *I don't
> think I want to drive for 24 hours straight.
>
> You're pretty funny.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

And you are retarded. The 20mph works on multiple lane roads. Like
where I live the cars have three lanes and still squeeze the bikes. It
ain't fair. It's like the lion always keeping THE LION'S SHARE OF THE
ROAD.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 5, 1:12*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 11:10*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Apr 4, 10:28*pm, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 4, 7:39*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 4, 12:05 am, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Mar 31, 12:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
> > > > > > beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
> > > > > > TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
> > > > > > put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
> > > > > > can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
> > > > > > the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
> > > > > > sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
> > > > > > vehicle.
>
> > > > > > What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
> > > > > > tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>
> > > > > > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> > > > > The 2006 US Census estimated the total population at just under 300
> > > > > million people. According to FARS data in that same year, 773 cyclists
> > > > > were killed in traffic crashes. Adding pedestrian deaths there were
> > > > > just 5740 non-motorist deaths from traffic crashes that year. That
> > > > > would seem to contradict your view that a significant percentage of
> > > > > motorists are homicidal maniacs intent on doing cyclists harm. Either
> > > > > that or the overwhelming majority of that group are *extremely
> > > > > incompetent* homicidal maniacs.
> > > > > Pedal your bike, not your silly fearmongering.
>
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Bob Hunt
>
> > > > It ain't fearmongering; it's the reality of the jungle, which is in
> > > > plain view for all to see...
>
> > > Some jungle. According to the National Safety Council's 2005
> > > statistics your lifetime odds of dying in a car versus bike crash are
> > > 1 in 4098. To put that in perspective, the same statistics put your
> > > lifetime odds of dying from falling out of your bed or a chair at 1 in
> > > 4225.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob Hunt- Hide quoted text -
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> > Yeah, but that's only if you ride your bike once a year. I took a nice
> > 20mile ride and survived it... What does it prove?
>
> > You are advising me to buy the tandem road bike I like and ride it
> > everyday among the top predators?
>
> > Hint: Check the book "It's No Accident," and you will know what
> > happens when people are not paying attention to driving.- Hide quoted text -
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> Frankly, I think you should stay off of a bike. *I think you're way
> too intimidated by cars to ride safely. *You post like you're a scare
> rabbit. *Take a taxi, seems like it's a better mode of transporation
> for you.- Hide quoted text -
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Not quite. I'm talking for the ones that are intimidated enough never
to ride.

Don't you realize your stupid oversized vehicles intimidate everybody
else? Particularly when you don't know how to drive, and you don't
give a damn anyway.

TALKING ON THE PHONE MEANS, ''I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!"

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 5, 10:38*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 5:37*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> > Pat, vehicular bully, wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > Meanwhile, if you feel unsafe, look within. *Are you doing anything
> > > that you shouldn't be or that's unpredictable? *I see more of that
> > > with people on bikes than with drivers. *Drivers are a fairly
> > > predictable group. *You know about what speed they are going, how wide
> > > the lane is and how wide the car is. *If you are obstructing them,
> > > then get out of the way. *You need to be able to keep up with traffic
> > > if you're going to be on the road.
>
> > So might makes right, eh?
>
> > Can I put a ram on the front of a dump-truck and go plowing through city
> > traffic that is going more slowly than I want to go?
>
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> You entirely missed the point. *The point is, it appears that the
> poster is scared and hesitant and therefore probably is unsafe in
> traffic. *If you do things that are unpredictable, you will have more
> trouble. *If you go slower or faster than traffic, it is dangerous.
> That's why bikes and horse and pedestrians are banned from highways.
> And, if you go UNDER 45 on an expressway, you can be ticketed for
> that, too, if everyone else is going at road speed. *The gov't has
> recognized that going too slow is dangerous. *If you can't keep up
> with traffic, get off the road. *If you can, and you are still having
> problems, then look within.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Your stupid dinosaurs scare off everybody else in the jungle. Should
the efficient little animals stay their path, or should we finish the
stupid dinosaurs.

Only in America.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 5, 11:03*pm, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 10:13*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Apr 5, 1:58*am, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 4, 9:27*am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> > > > The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> > > > and this and that. *That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> > > > group of people. *That public investment could probably go for better
> > > > uses.
>
> > > There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
> > > the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
> > > alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
> > > probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
> > > there are bike lane boosters.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob Hunt
>
> > I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES.
>
> > But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking
> > is POLITICAL WILL!
>
> That you can only think of two options doesn't mean that only two
> options exist. No matter how loudly you shout your opinion it is just
> that, your opinion.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Why don't you enlighten us with the other options? Are you do
something radical like the Dutch, when you can't even do the simple
stuff?

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 5, 11:21*pm, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, but that's only if you ride your bike once a year. I took a nice
> > 20mile ride and survived it... What does it prove?
>
> I checked and rechecked the source material and couldn't find anything
> saying that only once-a-year riders get killed so your assertion is
> baseless.

It doesn't say daily either. If you use a bike daily in traffic, you
are more likely to die than doing service in Iraq.

(It would interesting to compile those stats)

> > Hint: Check the book "It's No Accident," and you will know what
> > happens when people are not paying attention to driving.-
>
> You need a book to inform you of the hazards of inattentive driving?
> Duh.

No, the traffic authorities should. Maybe you should buy a book and
send it to them...

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 6, 4:23*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Bob Hunt wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 10:10 am, ComandanteBanana wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> You are advising me to buy the tandem road bike I like and ride it
> >> everyday among the top predators?
>
> > If I could be sure it would end your one trick pony posts here, I'd
> > buy it for you myself.
>
> [...]
>
> LOL!
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Hey, that option if tempting, huh?

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 6, 8:10*am, "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
<DwightSchr...@DunderMifflin.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:09:09 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
>
> <koze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"?
>
> Manners, posture, and clothing!
>
> When I'm riding properly, I say "pardon me" as I turn, signal with my
> pinkie out, never slump in the saddle, and wear formal clothing. *<G>
>
> I really don't care if someone calls me a "biker", "cyclist", "guy on
> a bicycle", as I'm enjoying myself.

A proper cyclist is wearing lycra suit and riding expensive bike.

A real cyclist is using a bike for actual transportation.

That's what my dictionary says.

Pat

On Apr 5, 11:03*pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote:
> Pat schrieb:
>
> > What's this "non-cyclist" stuff? *I don't know if I am or not. *Too
> > many semantics here for me. *But the snow is off and the weather is
> > warming. *The ski slope up the road even closes tomorrow. *So I
> > started getting my bike out of winter storage. *
>
> "Winter storage"? Are you also getting your car out of "winter storage"?

No, my car has snow tires and a heater. Okay, the bike has heaters,
too, but not they're not really effective in sub-freezing temps with
70 mph wind chills.

Pat

On Apr 6, 3:59*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, but possibly a biker, wrote:> On Apr 5, 5:22pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:> [...]
>
> > What's this "non-cyclist" stuff? *I don't know if I am or not. *Too
> > many semantics here for me. *But the snow is off and the weather is
> > warming. *The ski slope up the road even closes tomorrow. *So I
> > started getting my bike out of winter storage. *That was a nice
> > feeling.
>
> > I got the cob webs off of her and I just pushed the starter and she
> > jumped right to life. *Maybe next weekend I'll change the oil and
> > install the new thermostat I just ordered.
>
> If it has a motor, you are either a motorcyclist or biker, depending on
> the type of machine and clothes you wear.

I never really thought that much about a name. I guess I have other
things to do ;-) But neither of those names fit. I would say "I
ride a motorcycle". I guess I don't identify it as "I am a ...
(anything)." Just like I wouldn't say "I am a driver" or "I am a
homeowner". I drive a car and own a home, but I guess I don't start
very many thoughts with "I am a ...".

Weird, huh?

>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Pat

On Apr 6, 4:04*am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> >>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> >>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> >>>>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> >>>>>>>>> and this and that. *That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> >>>>>>>>> group of people. *That public investment could probably go forbetter
> >>>>>>>>> uses.
> >>>>>>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
> >>>>>>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
> >>>>>>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
>
> >>>>>>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
> >>>>>>> motorcycle, or motorbike" --
>
> >>>>>>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
>
> >>>>>>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
> >>>>>>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
>
> >>>>>>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
> >>>>>> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.
>
> >>>>>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".
> >>>>> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
> >>>>> of particular words, and they trump your opinions.
> >>>> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists?
>
> >>>> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh!
> >>> Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"?
> >> If you have to ask, you are obviously not one. Here is a hint - their
> >> single track vehicles are NOT powered by V-Twin engines.
>
> > The point is, that YOU don't get to define words for everybody.
>
> I am reporting on what the actual usage is, not defining words for
> everybody. DUH!
>
> > The dictionary definitions trump your static worldview.
>
> I can recall several instances where clueless local newspaper reporters
> referred to bicyclists as "bikers", which was worth a good laugh for the
> bicyclists.

In common usage, at least around here, biker ride old Harleys, wear
leather vests, and don't shave.

Everyone else just rides a motorcycle.

Around here, you know what you call someone who rides a bicycle? An
elementary student !!! (Ouch). I guess it's different in the rural
areas.

>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tom Sherman

Pat, without an identity, wrote:
> On Apr 6, 3:59 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, but possibly a biker, wrote:> On Apr 5, 5:22 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:> [...]
>>> What's this "non-cyclist" stuff? I don't know if I am or not. Too
>>> many semantics here for me. But the snow is off and the weather is
>>> warming. The ski slope up the road even closes tomorrow. So I
>>> started getting my bike out of winter storage. That was a nice
>>> feeling.
>>> I got the cob webs off of her and I just pushed the starter and she
>>> jumped right to life. Maybe next weekend I'll change the oil and
>>> install the new thermostat I just ordered.
>> If it has a motor, you are either a motorcyclist or biker, depending on
>> the type of machine and clothes you wear.
>
> I never really thought that much about a name. I guess I have other
> things to do ;-) But neither of those names fit. I would say "I
> ride a motorcycle". I guess I don't identify it as "I am a ...
> (anything)." Just like I wouldn't say "I am a driver" or "I am a
> homeowner". I drive a car and own a home, but I guess I don't start
> very many thoughts with "I am a ...".
>
> Weird, huh?
>
Yes, very weird from the perspective of a cyclist or biker.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful