Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

Jens Müller

Tom Sherman schrieb:
>>>> Its a political decision. You only have to have Congress members
>>>> get stuck in the cold and dark with no transportation to change the
>>>> laws.
>>>>
>>> Congress can change the laws of nature? Wow!
>>
>> So Tom has no clue about Congress responding when problem personally
>> affect them. Obviously Tom is totally out of touch with reality
>>
> Congress does not have the power to overcome reality. Duh!

Congress has any power necessary and proper for carrying into Execution
the other powers of government. Overcoming reality might become
necessary, but is probably not proper ...

Tom Sherman

Jens Müller wrote:
> Tom Sherman schrieb:
>>>>> Its a political decision. You only have to have Congress members
>>>>> get stuck in the cold and dark with no transportation to change the
>>>>> laws.
>>>>>
>>>> Congress can change the laws of nature? Wow!
>>>
>>> So Tom has no clue about Congress responding when problem personally
>>> affect them. Obviously Tom is totally out of touch with reality
>>>
>> Congress does not have the power to overcome reality. Duh!
>
> Congress has any power necessary and proper for carrying into Execution
> the other powers of government. Overcoming reality might become
> necessary, but is probably not proper ...

And who said people from a certain European country were incapable of
comedy?

Pat and Jack May obviously have the belief that bipedal apes can
overcome any problem through technological development. That is foolish
hubris, since these bipedal apes are not all powerful. It will be
amusing to observe the reaction of the bipedal apes when the ecological
limits of what the Earth can support are exceeded for an extended period.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 11, 11:05*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 9:02*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 11:57*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> > > > > How can you deny that change is inevitable, constant and
> > > > > unpredictable?
>
> > > > When did I make a claim to the contrary?
>
> > > So if you believe that change will occur, why do you think it will
> > > occur in every area of life except energy? *In energy is where is will
> > > MOST likely occur because of it has a high economic motive.
>
> > I can see your game clearly through your thinly veiled excuses...
>
> > You are part of the problem; you pollute more than your fair share...
> > What's your best strategy, defense? Nah, discredit others who want to
> > do something. The best strategy for defense is offense. But your
> > camouflage is flawed.
>
> Actually, I don't pollute that much ... and probably a lot less than
> you do.
>
> I live in a community that's primary electricity is hydro. *I have
> wood to supplement that, but it's all off of construction sites that
> would have gone to the landfill otherwise -- or would have rotted away
> and released its carbon. *So my supplemental heat is carbon neutral.
>
> I work out of my house and don't commute anywhere. *So there's no
> commuting pollution. *Plus I don't have A/C, which causes a lot of
> pollution.


If you are not hiding a dirty environmental footprint, then you really
must be retarded. Why you insist on critizing others? You do what you
can, where you can. I can't live without A/C where I live, but I could
ride a bike if they made it safe for me. But it ain't safe.

Just yesterday I was almost attacked for doing the right thing. The
guy blew the horn and I gave him the finger. I shouldn't have, but he
didn't have to harass me with the horn. It just happens that at that
particular draw bridge I'm supposed to walk the bike on the sidewalk!
No more biking on that road, or any other road shared with traffic.
I'll drive my girlfriend's Lexus...

Not until it's all part of an international campaign under the banner
of the revolution...

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fttl2o$hma$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ftrhkt$kdc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
>>>> <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:408104951p1h3i4uin0ltut5dkctsgnvr3@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:48:17 -0700, "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>

> Sheesh! What is important is the total expenditure on transportation, not
> merely what a regional government agency spends.

Governments have a budget they must live with. The question is do they
spend their limited fund wisely or foolishly. Transit is typically very
foolish spending by Governments.
>
> When the costs of private vehicle operation are considered, transit
> spending is a drop in the bucket.

99% of transportation in the US is with cars and other road vehicles. Less
than 1% is transit. The questions are cost per person and the economic
consequences of the mode transportation. Total cost does not affect
people. They are only affected by their cost. Just doing a total is not
rational.

Transit cost 10 to 100 times more per user than cars. That is major money
and not a drop in the bucket. There is also an extremely high cost of
transit in the lost opportunity to have a highly productive job in a highly
efficient economy to have a good standard of living.

Lack of mobility with transit is an extremely high cost to the economy as is
really apparent in third world economies. The cost of transit is also
extremely high to Governments which leads to major problems funding other
parts of Government.

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fttl57$hma$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ftrhom$kdc$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:18bd5681-55d9-4920-8c96-35f0486b13fd@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Apr 12, 12:48 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:

>>
> No, you were implying that transit spending is much higher than that of
> individualized private motorized transport, which is silly when total
> expenditures are compared.

As I said above total cost has no affect on people. Individual cost is what
is important.

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ftttt6$un4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jens Müller wrote:
>> Tom Sherman schrieb:
>
> Pat and Jack May obviously have the belief that bipedal apes can overcome
> any problem through technological development. That is foolish hubris,
> since these bipedal apes are not all powerful. It will be amusing to
> observe the reaction of the bipedal apes when the ecological limits of
> what the Earth can support are exceeded for an extended period.

Well we bipedal apes have a long track record of solving problems. Since
problem solving with technology grows exponentially over time, there is a
very good chance we can continue to solve problems.

Again you are just pissed because nobody probably considers you part of the
solution and will pay you for solutions.

Eric Vey

Pat wrote:

>
> Why do you persist to be such an egocentric and arrogant snot. The
> whole world does live like you do, doesn't want to live like you do,
> and won't ever live like you do. Just because a bike is good for you,
> it doesn't mean it's good for everyone. You live in some hell-hole
> city that you like, but lots and lots of people don't. It's a big
> world out there. Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
> paved. The whole would is urban. The whole world is bikable. The
> whole world isn't compact. I drove 500 miles to a meeting and back,
> yesterday. You'd still be on your bike.
>
> Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
> planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle.

Back at you.

"Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
[un]paved."

You choose to live in the boondocks where 500 mile trips are routine for
you. That is your choice, but realize that MOST people do not choose to
do what you do. Yet, you persist in reminding us of this choice you made
and making a big stink against people that only want to improve their
own locality.

"Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle."

BTW, next time you drive past a "dead" dairy farm in the boondocks,
reflect upon the farmer and what ever happened to his sons. You know,
the sons that replied, "I'll do anything and go anywhere as long as I
don't have to smell cow shit!" when asked the usual questions boys are
asked.

Where did they all go?

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fttl2o$hma$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ftrhkt$kdc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
>>>>> <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:408104951p1h3i4uin0ltut5dkctsgnvr3@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:48:17 -0700, "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>
>> Sheesh! What is important is the total expenditure on transportation, not
>> merely what a regional government agency spends.
>
> Governments have a budget they must live with. The question is do they
> spend their limited fund wisely or foolishly. Transit is typically very
> foolish spending by Governments.
>> When the costs of private vehicle operation are considered, transit
>> spending is a drop in the bucket.
>
> 99% of transportation in the US is with cars and other road vehicles. Less
> than 1% is transit. The questions are cost per person and the economic
> consequences of the mode transportation. Total cost does not affect
> people. They are only affected by their cost. Just doing a total is not
> rational.
>
Depending on an unsustainable system is not rational.

And if the government stopped subsidizing individualized motorized
transport, transit or cycling would be a lot more attractive to those
same individuals.

> Transit cost 10 to 100 times more per user than cars.

Citation?

> That is major money
> and not a drop in the bucket. There is also an extremely high cost of
> transit in the lost opportunity to have a highly productive job in a highly
> efficient economy to have a good standard of living.
>
Most of those jobs in the US have been eliminated by the corporate
elite. Most of the technical jobs will also soon be exported to southern
Asia in the near future. Have an individualized motorized transportation
system that will allow commuting to those job?

> Lack of mobility with transit is an extremely high cost to the economy as is
> really apparent in third world economies. The cost of transit is also
> extremely high to Governments which leads to major problems funding other
> parts of Government.
>
Is that why the economies of northern and western Europe with highly
developed transit systems are currently doing better than the US
economy, and why the people in those countries have a higher quality of
life?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Eric Vey wrote:
> Pat wrote:
>
>>
>> Why do you persist to be such an egocentric and arrogant snot. The
>> whole world does live like you do, doesn't want to live like you do,
>> and won't ever live like you do. Just because a bike is good for you,
>> it doesn't mean it's good for everyone. You live in some hell-hole
>> city that you like, but lots and lots of people don't. It's a big
>> world out there. Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
>> paved. The whole would is urban. The whole world is bikable. The
>> whole world isn't compact. I drove 500 miles to a meeting and back,
>> yesterday. You'd still be on your bike.
>>
>> Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
>> planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle.
>
> Back at you.
>
> "Look up and realize that the whole world isn't
> [un]paved."
>
> You choose to live in the boondocks where 500 mile trips are routine for
> you. That is your choice, but realize that MOST people do not choose to
> do what you do. Yet, you persist in reminding us of this choice you made
> and making a big stink against people that only want to improve their
> own locality.
>
> "Geez. Wake up and realize that you're not the only person on the
> planet and that you don't have "the best" lifestyle."
>
> BTW, next time you drive past a "dead" dairy farm in the boondocks,
> reflect upon the farmer and what ever happened to his sons. You know,
> the sons that replied, "I'll do anything and go anywhere as long as I
> don't have to smell cow shit!" when asked the usual questions boys are
> asked.
>
> Where did they all go?
>
The dairy farm failed because all the cows (not steers) were sold for
beef while in their milk producing prime.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fttl57$hma$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ftrhom$kdc$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:18bd5681-55d9-4920-8c96-35f0486b13fd@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 12:48 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> No, you were implying that transit spending is much higher than that of
>> individualized private motorized transport, which is silly when total
>> expenditures are compared.
>
> As I said above total cost has no affect on people. Individual cost is what
> is important.
>
Total cost has no effect? Does that money fall out of the sky as a gift
from heaven?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ftttt6$un4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jens Müller wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman schrieb:
>> Pat and Jack May obviously have the belief that bipedal apes can overcome
>> any problem through technological development. That is foolish hubris,
>> since these bipedal apes are not all powerful. It will be amusing to
>> observe the reaction of the bipedal apes when the ecological limits of
>> what the Earth can support are exceeded for an extended period.
>
> Well we bipedal apes have a long track record of solving problems. Since
> problem solving with technology grows exponentially over time, there is a
> very good chance we can continue to solve problems.
>
More foolish hubris. Pride goes before the fall.

> Again you are just pissed because nobody probably considers you part of the
> solution and will pay you for solutions.
>
Another stupid assumption. However, I know I am not a parasite on
others, unlike so many of the "successful".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Eric Vey

Tom Sherman wrote:

>> Where did they all go?
>>
> The dairy farm failed because all the cows (not steers) were sold for
> beef while in their milk producing prime.

I am partial to Jersey's. They are like the Golden Retriever's of the
dairy cow world. Smaller and with a much sweeter temperament. They can
almost be a pet. Plus, they can "sweeten" the BF rate a bit if needed.

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ftu2e5$k77$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fttl2o$hma$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ftrhkt$kdc$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>>> "Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
>>>>>> <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:408104951p1h3i4uin0ltut5dkctsgnvr3@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:48:17 -0700, "Jack May"
>>>>>>> <jack.may@comcast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>
>>> Sheesh! What is important is the total expenditure on transportation,
>>> not merely what a regional government agency spends.
>>
>> Governments have a budget they must live with. The question is do they
>> spend their limited fund wisely or foolishly. Transit is typically very
>> foolish spending by Governments.
>>> When the costs of private vehicle operation are considered, transit
>>> spending is a drop in the bucket.
>>
>> 99% of transportation in the US is with cars and other road vehicles.
>> Less than 1% is transit. The questions are cost per person and the
>> economic consequences of the mode transportation. Total cost does not
>> affect people. They are only affected by their cost. Just doing a
>> total is not rational.
>>
> Depending on an unsustainable system is not rational.

Oh exactly what is going to keep recyclable alternative fuels from being
sustainable. Do you really think that companies are just going to sit on
their hands and do nothing to supply the needs of people. You are
obviously talking nonsense.

By the way the cost per individual for transit is very high and a large
percentage of their total transportation cost.

At least 15% of Federal gas taxes go to transit and some people put it much
higher than that.

The cost in time for congestion caused by diverting money to transit
averages over $400 per year per person for the time lost in traffic jams.
It is much higher than $400 per year for high income Silicon Valley type
workers

Since 67% to 77% of transportation dollars go to fund transit (depends on
the year), that is a high cost to all of tax payer that will never ever use
transit.

The we also pay high taxes for the unemployed and for welfare because of the
much greater difficulty of transit users to find a job as has been
documented by University research

Then there is the high cost of sickness caused by exponential pollution
increased cause by congestion which again is direct result of spending most
of the transportation dollars on transit instead of the much more efficient
roads. The green house gases go up 45% from cars in transit induced
congestion.

So transit is not a drop in the bucket, but a substantial cost to
individuals.

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ftu2u2$l3d$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fttl57$hma$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ftrhom$kdc$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:18bd5681-55d9-4920-8c96-35f0486b13fd@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 12:48 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No, you were implying that transit spending is much higher than that of
>>> individualized private motorized transport, which is silly when total
>>> expenditures are compared.
>>
>> As I said above total cost has no affect on people. Individual cost is
>> what is important.
>>
> Total cost has no effect? Does that money fall out of the sky as a gift
> from heaven?

How does total cost affect an individual? If it does not paid by the
individual out of their pocket, their taxes (yes out of pocket), or their
lost time, how does it affect them.