Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 1, 4:23*pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>
> > 4- LITTERING (Hey, who cares about littering anymore? Someone will
> > pick up after me...)
>
> Here, some Neoliberals say: Well, that's creating jobs for people to
> pick up the stuff.

The problem is they don't even pick it up. It lies there forever,
until it disintegrates or something.
>
> > 5- RELIANCE ON OLD PEOPLE (They are the ones who vote, usually about
> > issues that have more to do with quality of life)
>
> Here, much more than 50% of the voters are people who get money from the
> state ... The welfare republic ...

As a nation, it's the people who got money who vote.

>
>
>
> > 8- TOLERANCE OF DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR (Noisy parks, beaches, etc, with
> > the notorious absence of signs that call for proper behavior)
>
> What exactly is "proper behavior"?

Like talking low, or playing radios down.

>
> > 9- MINDING OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES (Elections based on homosexuals or
> > abortion, not constructive issues)
>
> Well, one might consider that "disruptive behavior"? Where to start,
> where to end?

Say talking on the cell phone. It can kill people. Should that be
allowed?

>
> > 11- LACK OF BIKE FACILITIES (Yes, a city that is hostile toward those
> > who care for a better planet, qualifies for the Banana Republic
> > title)
>
> Bicycle parking facilities? Well, that might be the case. Facilities for
> moving bicycle traffic? Here, there are much too many of them ...

Nice. Most of the nation lacks those facilities.

ComandanteBanana

Has anyone read this article?

"WHAT YOU CAN DO TO FIX AMERICA'S TRAFFIC LAWS --AND WHY YOU SHOULD"

http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/reviews/index.html

It would be interesting...

Jens Müller

ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>> Bicycle parking facilities? Well, that might be the case. Facilities for
>> moving bicycle traffic? Here, there are much too many of them ...
>
> Nice. Most of the nation lacks those facilities.

No, not nice. They are actually causing completely real deaths of people.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 1, 5:37*pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>
> >> Bicycle parking facilities? Well, that might be the case. Facilities for
> >> moving bicycle traffic? Here, there are much too many of them ...
>
> > Nice. Most of the nation lacks those facilities.
>
> No, not nice. They are actually causing completely real deaths of people.

What is causing their deaths, the bike facilities?

WE NEED BIKE LANES or 20MPH LANES --enforced by cameras.

This is a fair comment that I stick to...

tjspiel
Was at a book store last night thumbing through the latest Bicycling
magazine. I ended up buying it mostly because of their feature report
called: "What you can do to fix America's traffic laws - and why you
should".

There was a lot of text devoted to several people that that been
killed or sustained permanent, life altering injuries. They were
struck by drunk drivers or in one case, a driver trying to grab
something out of a bag in her back seat. All of the cyclists had been
riding on a wide shoulder or in a bike lane and had been hit from
behind.

The article seemed to focus more on stonger penalties for people who
kill or injure cyclists and not so much on new laws. There were a lot
of interesting statistics. For example cities with more cyclists had a
lower percentage of fatal collisions. Another thing they mentioned
that is absolutely true is that in the U.S. there is little or no
driver training related to being on the road with cyclists. There's
also little formal training for cyclists on how to ride safely in the
street. Both are sorely needed.

One good idea though was implemented in Kansas. Apparently when you
renew your license in that state there is a written test. A guy there
was able to successfully get the state to insure that there would be
at least one question related to cyclists on the test. The current
version has a multiple choice question on how many feet you must leave
between your car and the cyclist when passing. In Kansas, it's 4 feet.

Anyway, the whole article definitely made me a little more nervous
about riding with fast moving traffic. I still contend that segregated
bike lanes are the way to go. You can't legislate away lapses in
judgement and attention.

Pat

On Mar 31, 1:00*pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
> beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
> TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
> put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
> can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
> the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
> sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
> vehicle.
>
> What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
> tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

As much as I had hoped that this would be some sort of April Fool's
joke, it isn't.

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregi...ory/312617.html

Jack May

"Papa Tom" <TomMontalbano@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not one who believes "resistance" will ever work.
>
> There's something about bicyclists that people just don't like. Perhaps
> it's just jealousy. When the road was ruled by horse-drawn wagons, they
> cursed at us and threw sticks at our spokes because we were moving too
> fast. Now they do the same thing because we move too slowly.
>
> Perhaps when gas is $10 a gallon, drivers will start to see us in a
> different light. Right now, keep your trike off the road - or face having
> to pry it out of the grill of some jerk's Hummer.

Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
gallon of gas.

Jack May

"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 31, 7:33 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article
> <f0a6b16e-d90e-410d-84c0-8e28a6986...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,

That makes sense. Sort of what I expected. Still the vehicle code
calls all bicycles "vehicles," so we all are a family --though not
necessarily happy.

Anybody that is so stupid that they think the law is reality deserves to be
killed in traffic.

Tom Sherman

Jens Müller wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>>> Bicycle parking facilities? Well, that might be the case. Facilities for
>>> moving bicycle traffic? Here, there are much too many of them ...
>>
>> Nice. Most of the nation lacks those facilities.
>
> No, not nice. They are actually causing completely real deaths of people.

Shhh. Don't tell Bill Zaumen.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Roger Zoul

"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
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On Mar 31, 1:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
> beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
> TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
> put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
> can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
> the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
> sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
> vehicle.
>
> What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
> tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>
> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

:>As much as I had hoped that this would be some sort of April Fool's
:>joke, it isn't.
:>
:>http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregi...ory/312617.html

3 men riding on a 3-wheeled cycle....pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!

Roger Zoul

<james.annan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 1, 1:11 pm, Ted <plpf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
>> > > tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>>
>> The whole problem here is that a trike takes up much more road space
>> and it makes it more difficult for another wide vehicle (an
>> automobile) to pass, basically requiring the cars to slow down from
>> what you said is 45 mph to probably less than 18 mph until there is no
>> one in the opposing lane so they may pass safely.
>
> A tricycle is typically about 30 inches wide, which is almost exactly
> the width of my elbows in a fairly normal riding posture (I just
> measured roughly).
>
> James

Of course, on a bike you can ride on the very edge of the road, so that you
take up only ~15 inches, rather than 30. However, if the cars have you on
the white line on a bike, your life is in danger. A triker can hug the
white line with the right front wheel in a much safer fashion than can a
bicyclist.

Tony B

Jack May wrote:

> Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
> sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
> gallon of gas.

name one that is plentiful in HUGE ammounts, does not involve the whole
world's infrastructure being replaced and does not mean food production
will suffer heavily.

oh, and you can't have "cake and a person's legs" as the answer :-)

T

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 1, 10:17*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 1:00*pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
> > beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
> > TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
> > put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
> > can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
> > the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
> > sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
> > vehicle.
>
> > What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
> > tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>
> > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> As much as I had hoped that this would be some sort of April Fool's
> joke, it isn't.
>
> http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregi...ory/312617.html

It's known that guys on three wheel bikes are real dangerous... ?

But they are real dangerous riding the sidewalk, which is most people
do nowdays --if they want to live longer.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 1, 11:18*pm, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:

> Anybody that is so stupid that they think the law is reality deserves to be
> killed in traffic.

That's true. So it is that in NY they have the right laws regarding
cell phones, but people do whatever they please. And bicycles are
considered "vehicles," but you still are pushed around on the roads.

Welcome to the reality of the jungle.

ComandanteBanana

You may say, "What the Banana Republic of Miami has to do with
bicycling?" But it does. The old people in Miami voted for issues
dealing with Castro, and not for bike facilities. They never will,
because only the young care about it. That's why we need a Banana
Revolution...

"I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to
die in." -George McGovern

A REVOLUTION FOR THE YOUNG?
Sorry, guys, but this revolution is for the young --or at least for
the young at heart-- who care about the future, and about a quality of
life surrounding their needs.

Regrettably, they are not being enticed into politics. Important
issues like building bike facilities are kept out of the political
discourse. Simply, cunning politicians lure the elderly, who are
easily duped with the politics of fear*. Remember the 2000 elections
in Miami-Dade County. In other words: the Banana Republic relies on
the old and ignorant, while the Banana Revolution appeals to the young
and hopeful...

*80% of the young who don't vote do not live in democracy.

"Well, there's no hiding the fact that bananas taste better, and don't
contribute to Global Warming and War."

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