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06-04.-2008, 07:30 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote: > >> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement >> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small >> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better >> uses. >> > > There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in > the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the > alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are > probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as > there are bike lane boosters. > Note that Bob uses the correct term "cyclist" for the user of the human powered single-track vehicle. In the US, "biker" means something quite different. This is typical "biker" specimen: <http://www.coloradochaps.com/images/biker-1.jpg>. Do not let Bill Zaumen et al convince you that most cyclists like being ghettoized into "bicycle lanes". -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 07:32 AM
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Re: What we are lacking is POLITICAL WILL!
Pat wrote:
> On Apr 5, 11:13 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> On Apr 5, 1:58 am, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote: >>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement >>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small >>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better >>>> uses. >>> There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in >>> the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the >>> alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are >>> probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as >>> there are bike lane boosters. >>> Regards, >>> Bob Hunt >> I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES. >> >> But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking >> is POLITICAL WILL!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I have a meeting on Monday. It's 240 miles east of here and it'll end > at about 7:00 PM. Should I take my bike or drive at 20 mph. I don't > think I want to drive for 24 hours straight. > Video conferencing? Actually, "ComandanteBanana" aka "donquijote1954" is only advocating the 20 mph speed limit in the right-hand lane on multi-lane roads. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 07:34 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Cyclist Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the >> beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT >> TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily >> put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I >> can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking >> the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets >> sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a >> vehicle. >> >> What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road >> tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?  >> >> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution > > The 2006 US Census estimated the total population at just under 300 > million people. According to FARS data in that same year, 773 cyclists > were killed in traffic crashes. Adding pedestrian deaths there were > just 5740 non-motorist deaths from traffic crashes that year. That > would seem to contradict your view that a significant percentage of > motorists are homicidal maniacs intent on doing cyclists harm. Either > that or the overwhelming majority of that group are *extremely > incompetent* homicidal maniacs. > Pedal your bike, not your silly fearmongering. > I am going to shock Bob Hunt by agreeing with him. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 07:37 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Pat, vehicular bully, wrote:
> [...] > Meanwhile, if you feel unsafe, look within. Are you doing anything > that you shouldn't be or that's unpredictable? I see more of that > with people on bikes than with drivers. Drivers are a fairly > predictable group. You know about what speed they are going, how wide > the lane is and how wide the car is. If you are obstructing them, > then get out of the way. You need to be able to keep up with traffic > if you're going to be on the road. > So might makes right, eh? Can I put a ram on the front of a dump-truck and go plowing through city traffic that is going more slowly than I want to go? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 08:28 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> > Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: > > > The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement > > and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small > > group of people. That public investment could probably go for better > > uses. > > A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and > wears the associated clothing and accessories. That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, motorcycle, or motorbike" -- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker > A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist |
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06-04.-2008, 08:50 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: >> >>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement >>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small >>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better >>> uses. >> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and >> wears the associated clothing and accessories. > > That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. > > The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, > motorcycle, or motorbike" -- > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker > >> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. > > "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage. Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 10:15 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> > Scott M. Kozel wrote: > > Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: > >> > >>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement > >>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small > >>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better > >>> uses. > >> > >> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and > >> wears the associated clothing and accessories. > > > > That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. > > > > The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, > > motorcycle, or motorbike" -- > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker > > > >> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. > > > > "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist > > The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage. > > Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages of particular words, and they trump your opinions. |
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06-04.-2008, 10:22 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >> Scott M. Kozel wrote: >>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: >>>> >>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement >>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small >>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better >>>>> uses. >>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and >>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories. >>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. >>> >>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, >>> motorcycle, or motorbike" -- >>> >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker >>> >>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. >>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- >>> >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist >> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage. >> >> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". > > The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages > of particular words, and they trump your opinions. How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists? Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh! -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 10:52 AM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
In article <ft953c$fjh$3@registered.motzarella.org>,
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> writes: >>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". >> >> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages >> of particular words, and they trump your opinions. > > How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists? > > Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh! I happily remain a simple bicycle rider, or just plain: rider. Words that end with "ist" sound too political to me. "Real" cyclists -- phffft. What else is there? Holographic cyclists? Hallucinations? Astral projections? Actually I haven't astral projectionally ridden my bike yet. But I /have/ astral projectionally sk8boarded. It was alright, but no substitute for the real thing. And thanx in advance for not buggin' me about my use of the word: "simple." Astral projection four-square hackey-sack is kewl, if you hook up with not too many demonic entity participants, and if you can find the perfect empty parking lot to do it in. cheers, Tom -- "Food for thought is no substitute for the real thing." -- Walt Kelly, via Pogo I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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06-04.-2008, 12:09 PM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> > Scott M. Kozel wrote: > > Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >> Scott M. Kozel wrote: > >>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement > >>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small > >>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better > >>>>> uses. > >>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and > >>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories. > >>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. > >>> > >>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, > >>> motorcycle, or motorbike" -- > >>> > >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker > >>> > >>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. > >>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- > >>> > >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist > >> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage. > >> > >> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". > > > > The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages > > of particular words, and they trump your opinions. > > How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists? > > Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh! Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"? |
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06-04.-2008, 12:16 PM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >> Scott M. Kozel wrote: >>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Scott M. Kozel wrote: >>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement >>>>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small >>>>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better >>>>>>> uses. >>>>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and >>>>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories. >>>>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. >>>>> >>>>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, >>>>> motorcycle, or motorbike" -- >>>>> >>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker >>>>> >>>>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. >>>>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- >>>>> >>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist >>>> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage. >>>> >>>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". >>> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages >>> of particular words, and they trump your opinions. >> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists? >> >> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh! > > Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"? If you have to ask, you are obviously not one. Here is a hint - their single track vehicles are NOT powered by V-Twin engines. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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06-04.-2008, 12:27 PM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
> > Scott M. Kozel wrote: > > Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >> Scott M. Kozel wrote: > >>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> Scott M. Kozel wrote: > >>>>> Tom Sherman <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement > >>>>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small > >>>>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better > >>>>>>> uses. > >>>>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and > >>>>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories. > >>>>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions. > >>>>> > >>>>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle, > >>>>> motorcycle, or motorbike" -- > >>>>> > >>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker > >>>>> > >>>>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. > >>>>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well -- > >>>>> > >>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist > >>>> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage. > >>>> > >>>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". > >>> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages > >>> of particular words, and they trump your opinions. > >> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists? > >> > >> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh! > > > > Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"? > > If you have to ask, you are obviously not one. Here is a hint - their > single track vehicles are NOT powered by V-Twin engines. The point is, that YOU don't get to define words for everybody. The dictionary definitions trump your static worldview. |
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06-04.-2008, 12:38 PM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
On Apr 5, 5:37*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote: > Pat, vehicular bully, wrote: > > [...] > > Meanwhile, if you feel unsafe, look within. *Are you doing anything > > that you shouldn't be or that's unpredictable? *I see more of that > > with people on bikes than with drivers. *Drivers are a fairly > > predictable group. *You know about what speed they are going, how wide > > the lane is and how wide the car is. *If you are obstructing them, > > then get out of the way. *You need to be able to keep up with traffic > > if you're going to be on the road. > > So might makes right, eh? > > Can I put a ram on the front of a dump-truck and go plowing through city > traffic that is going more slowly than I want to go? > > -- > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful You entirely missed the point. The point is, it appears that the poster is scared and hesitant and therefore probably is unsafe in traffic. If you do things that are unpredictable, you will have more trouble. If you go slower or faster than traffic, it is dangerous. That's why bikes and horse and pedestrians are banned from highways. And, if you go UNDER 45 on an expressway, you can be ticketed for that, too, if everyone else is going at road speed. The gov't has recognized that going too slow is dangerous. If you can't keep up with traffic, get off the road. If you can, and you are still having problems, then look within. |
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06-04.-2008, 12:43 PM
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Re: What we are lacking is POLITICAL WILL!
On Apr 5, 5:32*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote: > Pat wrote: > > On Apr 5, 11:13 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> On Apr 5, 1:58 am, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote: > > >>> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote: > >>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement > >>>> and this and that. *That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small > >>>> group of people. *That public investment could probably go for better > >>>> uses. > >>> There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in > >>> the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the > >>> alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are > >>> probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as > >>> there are bike lane boosters. > >>> Regards, > >>> Bob Hunt > >> I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES. > > >> But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking > >> is POLITICAL WILL!- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I have a meeting on Monday. *It's 240 miles east of here and it'll end > > at about 7:00 PM. *Should I take my bike or drive at 20 mph. *I don't > > think I want to drive for 24 hours straight. > > Video conferencing? > > Actually, "ComandanteBanana" aka "donquijote1954" is only advocating the > 20 mph speed limit in the right-hand lane on multi-lane roads. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - For what I do, video conferencing is prohibited by law. You need to appear in person. |
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06-04.-2008, 12:53 PM
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Re: Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?
On Apr 5, 5:22*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote: > Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:> [...] What's this "non-cyclist" stuff? I don't know if I am or not. Too many semantics here for me. But the snow is off and the weather is warming. The ski slope up the road even closes tomorrow. So I started getting my bike out of winter storage. That was a nice feeling. I got the cob webs off of her and I just pushed the starter and she jumped right to life. Maybe next weekend I'll change the oil and install the new thermostat I just ordered. It'll keep up with traffic and presents a pretty big profile so I don't get intimidated. Traffic has never been a problem for me. Mostly I just sit back, turn on the tape player, set the cruise control and enjoy the ride. Driving 20 mph around here, on the right lane of a multi-lane road would be a death sentence. If you were lucky, the troopers would arrest you before you got yourself killed. All of the 4 lanes around here are limited access and ban bikes, horses, and other vehicles that can't obtain road speed (posted at 65 but no one ever drives that slow). |
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