Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 21, 10:36*pm, "ZBicyclist" <ZBicycl...@excite.com> wrote:

> > So the statement that the lions eat banana could be understood to mean
> > that they'll be humbled. When the monkey was cornered by the beast, he
> > said, "You can eat my banana!"
>
> Which is a really long, labored way for Commandante Banana to admit he
> doesn't have a cite for lions eating bananas in the bible.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You can read into the Bible whatever you want. And since the lion...

(Isa. 11:6): The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

"The Peaceable Kingdom paintings portray a delicate balance of
difficult and unresolved issues. The lion-ego poses the greatest
threat. The wild animals are seemingly domesticated and brought into
line with loving kindness."

http://www2.gol.com/users/quakers/H...ble_Kingdom.htm

doesn't eat the other animals, he must be indeed a vegetarian.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 22, 4:41*am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <b2374083-476a-4f17-8aa1-828409483...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> * * * * ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Interesting fact is that the Rich and Powerful surround themselves
> > with statues of lions and claim the lion in their family crest, so it
> > is that the lion is their cherished symbol. (They hate the monkey --
> > their real self-- for the same reason.)
>
> Heraldric fauna also includes pigs, unicorns,
> stags, bears, and even the good ol' Raleigh heron.

Yeah, but never ever a monkey. Why do they hate the monkey so much???

>
> > And what's the symbol for the down and out? The monkeys, of course.
> > So the statement that the lions eat banana could be understood to mean
> > that they'll be humbled. When the monkey was cornered by the beast, he
> > said, "You can eat my banana!"
>
> If anything, fat-assed SUVs should be likened
> more to hippopotami, which are far more dangerous
> critters than lions. *Hippos' dietary preferences
> may lean more toward potamogetons than bananas.
>

I like to compare them to dinosaurs: big, stupid and on the road to
extinction...

frkrygow@gmail.com

On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > occasional skinned knee. So again: quit whining.
>
> I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> killed by a drunk driver.

Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
vehicles. I've had four close family members seriously injured in
car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.

For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
fatalities.

Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
possibilities thereof. You go out of your way to make cycling sound
much more dangerous than it is.

Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. Who pays your
salary? Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?

- Frank Krygowski

Amy Blankenship

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8cdkuf.ci.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <j90Pj.11856$DY1.7796@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> writes:
>
>>> As an erstwhile guardian of felines, I can
>>> assert they do eat grass.
>>
>> What happened to your cats?
>
> They mostly died of old age. One got run over
> by a car. My last one was lost by a co-worker
> who was supposed to temporarily take care of him
> when I suddenly had to find new digs. That was
> especially heartbreaking, and I've since sworn-off
> any stewardship of fellow animules. Buster was
> a great guy. I got him from a woman who bred
> Siameses, but one of her females went a little
> wayward and subsequently gave birth to a bunch of
> mixed blessings. Buster was the first one to leave
> the litter.
....
> He also hated being condescended-to or belittled, and
> true to his Siamese genes, he'd go to take out the eyeball
> of anybody who dis'd him. So he got a rep for being
> vicious, but in CatLand a bunch of people got reps for
> being insufferable jerks.

Cats have a dry sense of humor. Not many people understand them...

ZBicyclist

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> On Apr 21, 10:36 pm, "ZBicyclist" <ZBicycl...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>> So the statement that the lions eat banana could be understood to
>>> mean that they'll be humbled. When the monkey was cornered by the
>>> beast, he said, "You can eat my banana!"
>>
>> Which is a really long, labored way for Commandante Banana to admit
>> he doesn't have a cite for lions eating bananas in the bible.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You can read into the Bible whatever you want. And since the lion...
>
> (Isa. 11:6): The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
> shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
> fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
>
> "The Peaceable Kingdom paintings portray a delicate balance of
> difficult and unresolved issues. The lion-ego poses the greatest
> threat. The wild animals are seemingly domesticated and brought into
> line with loving kindness."
>
> http://www2.gol.com/users/quakers/H...ble_Kingdom.htm
>
> doesn't eat the other animals, he must be indeed a vegetarian.

The Peaceable Kingdom paintings have never been officially recognized as
part of the Bible.

More's the pity

ZBicyclist

Amy Blankenship wrote:
>
> Cats have a dry sense of humor. Not many people understand them...

(moving farther off-topic) If you want to have some fun with your cat, get
a cheap laser pointer. Point it on the floor and move it around like a
mouse. My cat loves to chase it.

The cat is not deceived; While she doesn't understand the physics behind
lasers, she clearly knows this toy is connected with me and will beg me to
get it and play. She just likes to chase stuff.

Of course, you should be careful not to shine the laser in the cat's eyes.

--
Mike Kruger
"You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley

Tom Keats

In article <vsoPj.42328$r76.4183@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
"Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nospam@magnoliamultimedia.com> writes:

>> true to his Siamese genes, he'd go to take out the eyeball
>> of anybody who dis'd him. So he got a rep for being
>> vicious, but in CatLand a bunch of people got reps for
>> being insufferable jerks.
>
> Cats have a dry sense of humor. Not many people understand them...

When I came crashing into this world, my mom had this
cat (Trixie) who was nulliparous, so she adopted me
and taught me everything Cat. I guess Trixie felt
a li'l sorry for me for my being a mere human bean.
Or maybe she thought I'd become a useful feline/human
liason. Or maybe I was just an outlet for her
latent maternalness. If Trixie was human, she'd have
been one of those scrawny, hatchet-faced old biddies
who insists upon wearing funereal garb, and viewing
the goings-on of the world with Victorian disapproval.

She also had a propensity to stash my marbles as well
as live garter snakes in people's shoes. Sometimes
she'd make a point of showing-off her herpetological
prizes to my mom's dropper-inner friends sitting at
the kitchen table for a kaffee klatch, as those slender
victims curled and squirmed grotesquely around
Trixie's face.

Then I'd be called upon to get Trixie & her snake
outa there. Then we'd comiserate out in the back
yard about being kicked out of the house. Maybe
catch another garter snake.

When she died, she just reached the end of her line,
and that was it. No pain or suffering. Just a sleepy
Final Rest, and the smug satisfaction of having educated
an human.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 22, 10:38*am, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > occasional skinned knee. *So again: *quit whining.
>
> > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> vehicles. *I've had four *close family members seriously injured in
> car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> fatalities.
>
> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> possibilities thereof. *You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> much more dangerous than it is.
>
> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. *Who pays your
> salary? *Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...

The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street

"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
along on every ride.
After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
hostile environment."

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cyc...6001352-1213502

And we need to fix the sewer...

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 22, 12:35*pm, "Amy Blankenship"
<Amy_nos...@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote:
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8cdkuf.ci.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <j90Pj.11856$DY1.7...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> > "Amy Blankenship" <Amy_nos...@magnoliamultimedia.com> writes:
>
> >>> As an erstwhile guardian of felines, I can
> >>> assert they do eat grass.
>
> >> What happened to your cats?
>
> > They mostly died of old age. *One got run over
> > by a car. *My last one was lost by a co-worker
> > who was supposed to temporarily take care of him
> > when I suddenly had to find new digs. *That was
> > especially heartbreaking, and I've since sworn-off
> > any stewardship of fellow animules. *Buster was
> > a great guy. *I got him from a woman who bred
> > Siameses, but one of her females went a little
> > wayward and subsequently gave birth to a bunch of
> > mixed blessings. *Buster was the first one to leave
> > the litter.
> ...
> > He also hated being condescended-to or belittled, and
> > true to his Siamese genes, he'd go to take out the eyeball
> > of anybody who dis'd him. *So he got a rep for being
> > vicious, but in CatLand a bunch of people got reps for
> > being insufferable jerks.
>
> Cats have a dry sense of humor. *Not many people understand them...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dogs hate them like drivers hate cyclists.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 22, 8:45*pm, "ZBicyclist" <ZBicycl...@excite.com> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 10:36 pm, "ZBicyclist" <ZBicycl...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >>> So the statement that the lions eat banana could be understood to
> >>> mean that they'll be humbled. When the monkey was cornered by the
> >>> beast, he said, "You can eat my banana!"
>
> >> Which is a really long, labored way for Commandante Banana to admit
> >> he doesn't have a cite for lions eating bananas in the bible.- Hide
> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > You can read into the Bible whatever you want. And since the lion...
>
> > (Isa. 11:6): The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
> > shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
> > fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
>
> > "The Peaceable Kingdom paintings portray a delicate balance of
> > difficult and unresolved issues. The lion-ego poses the greatest
> > threat. The wild animals are seemingly domesticated and brought into
> > line with loving kindness."
>
> >http://www2.gol.com/users/quakers/H...ble_Kingdom.htm
>
> > doesn't eat the other animals, he must be indeed a vegetarian.
>
> The Peaceable Kingdom paintings have never been officially recognized as
> part of the Bible.
>
> More's the pity *- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Bible in being so vague is left to many interpretations. Like the
quoted above...

(Isa. 11:6):

The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie
down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling
together; and a little child shall lead them.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

Amy Blankenship

"ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd72484a-a57f-413d-8274-30302266c5e4@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 22, 12:35 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
<Amy_nos...@magnoliamultimedia.com> wrote:
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8cdkuf.ci.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>> Cats have a dry sense of humor. Not many people understand them...- Hide
>> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dogs hate them like drivers hate cyclists.
-----------
I guess my dogs didn't get the memo.

Pat

On Apr 23, 11:17*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 22, 10:38*am, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > > occasional skinned knee. *So again: *quit whining.
>
> > > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> > Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> > vehicles. *I've had four *close family members seriously injured in
> > car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > fatalities.
>
> > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > possibilities thereof. *You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. *Who pays your
> > salary? *Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
> I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
> drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
> few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
> are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
> ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
> weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
> along on every ride.
> After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
> cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
> afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
> are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
> unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
> attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
> hostile environment."
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cyc.../dp/0762727837/...
>
> And we need to fix the sewer...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's a hint for you. YOU WILL NEVER FIX ANYTHING.

First off; many, many people would argue that things are not broken.

Second off, you can't possibly "win" because you cannot see the other
persons point of view. Therefore there is no compromise. Therefore
no one will listen to you. People hate zealots.

Third off, people who are going to change things don't spend every
waking hour writing in newsgroups. They get off their lazy butts and
do things. They are active for change -- not just running their
mouths.

Fourthly, change required passion. You don't have the ability to
persuade people. You just want to tell everyone how much better you
are than everyone else.

Finally, to get things done requires working with other people. It
requires communication skills. It required negotiation. It required
the devotion of a great deal of time and money. It required low
friends in high places. You seem to have none of them. You will just
remain a lonely, outspoken guy in spandex.

If you want to succeed, go get your meds adjusted.

ComandanteBanana

On Apr 23, 3:42*pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 11:17*am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 10:38*am, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > > > occasional skinned knee. *So again: *quit whining.
>
> > > > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > > > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> > > Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> > > vehicles. *I've had four *close family members seriously injured in
> > > car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> > > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > > fatalities.
>
> > > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > > possibilities thereof. *You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. *Who pays your
> > > salary? *Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> > > - Frank Krygowski
>
> > Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> > saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
> > I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> > the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> > out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> > other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
> > drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
> > few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> > the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
> > are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> > one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> > The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> > "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
> > ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
> > weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
> > along on every ride.
> > After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
> > cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
> > afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
> > are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
> > unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
> > attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
> > hostile environment."
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cyc.../dp/0762727837/...
>
> > And we need to fix the sewer...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's a hint for you. *YOU WILL NEVER FIX ANYTHING.
>
> First off; many, many people would argue that things are not broken.
>
> Second off, you can't possibly "win" because you cannot see the other
> persons point of view. *Therefore there is no compromise. *Therefore
> no one will listen to you. *People hate zealots.
>
> Third off, people who are going to change things don't spend every
> waking hour writing in newsgroups. *They get off their lazy butts and
> do things. *They are active for change -- not just running their
> mouths.
>
> Fourthly, change required passion. *You don't have the ability to
> persuade people. *You just want to tell everyone how much better you
> are than everyone else.
>
> Finally, to get things done requires working with other people. It
> requires communication skills. *It required negotiation. *It required
> the devotion of a great deal of time and money. *It required low
> friends in high places. *You seem to have none of them. *You will just
> remain a lonely, outspoken guy in spandex.
>
> If you want to succeed, go get your meds adjusted.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm so glad you came out of your depressed life in the boondocks. It's
boring, ain't it?

But you think that because you made it (?), others must survive in the
asphalt jungle where they live, and if they don't like it, move to the
boondocks!

My job though is not that of a politician, who have friend$ in very
have place$, but that of telling you what's wrong to the system and
how to fix it. The examples I give are real: the Swiss, the Danish,
the British who are explaining here how much they have advanced in the
last few years.

Before you used to live in ignorance, but now you choose to remain
ignorant. Good luck with the racoons and SUVs!

Tom Keats

In article <9e4bcd59-5c05-4c5d-93b7-a815583d7684@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
>> possibilities thereof. =A0You go out of your way to make cycling sound
>> much more dangerous than it is.
>>
>> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. =A0Who pays your
>> salary? =A0Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it.

It's not a jungle. It's a society.
Boy, are you ever warped.

> That's why
> I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> other than rider training or mental toughness.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You could use a good dosage of both.

> How about the stupid
> drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there?

A non-stupid person applies his or her acumen in
dealing with stupidity. It's dirt simple & easy.

> Haven't you noticed the
> few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks?

No.

> So *YOU*
> are the one defending the status quo,

No, he's proposing using the status quo's
best parts, without throwing the baby out
with the bath water.

> one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...

I aim at rats with my bike. Especially at night.
Those bastards are hard to run-over. I guess if I
could turn my lights off I'd have better luck.
If rats were GMO'd w/ squirrel genes, maybe we could
kill 'em with impunity.

> The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions ..."

You obviously haven't read (or understood) the whole book.
I recommend you make the attempt. It's a good book,
intended to inform & empower riders, not scare them off,
as you so cheap-shottedly invoke and malascribe it.

In fact, screw you for so doing.

As for revolutions/velorutions, it's already happening
without you. Your services are not required.

Go knit a sweater or sumpthin'.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca