Bolivia's 'Death Road' claims life of U.S. mountain biker

Siskuwihane

On Apr 26, 8:09*am, "Ronnie Guthrie" <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com>
wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
> > <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>
> >>> > Evolution at work:
>
> >>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea....
>
> >>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
> >>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
> >>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
> >>> > Monday.
>
> >>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
> >>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
> >>> > meters).
>
> >>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
> >>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>
> >>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
> >>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
> >>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>
> >>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
> >>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>
> >>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
> >>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
> >>their deaths here too.
>
> > So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
> > do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>
> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles? *Would you have
> been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
> hiking?
> Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for everyone
> to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.


The only time Mike gets outdoors is when he's walking from long-term
parking to the terminal.

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
<ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>> <bpnjensen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Evolution at work:
>>>>
>>>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>
>>>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>> > Monday.
>>>>
>>>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>> > meters).
>>>>
>>>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>
>>>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>
>>>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>
>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>their deaths here too.
>>
>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>
>So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?

Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!

Would you have
>been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
>hiking?
>Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for everyone
>to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.

It's there for everyone to enjoy, but only in an appropriate
(low-impact) way. There is no reason for allowing bicycles off-road,
where they destroy wildlife and wildlife habitat -- something I
predict that you aren't honest enough to admit, but something that is
obvious to everyone else.

>>>Bruce Jensen
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 26, 8:09*am, "Ronnie Guthrie" <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com>
>wrote:
>> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>> > <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>
>> >>> > Evolution at work:
>>
>> >>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>
>> >>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>> >>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>> >>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>> >>> > Monday.
>>
>> >>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>> >>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>> >>> > meters).
>>
>> >>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>> >>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>
>> >>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>> >>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>> >>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>
>> >>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>> >>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>
>> >>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> >>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>> >>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
>> >>their deaths here too.
>>
>> > So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>> > do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>
>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles? *Would you have
>> been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
>> hiking?
>> Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for everyone
>> to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.
>
>
>The only time Mike gets outdoors is when he's walking from long-term
>parking to the terminal.

We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
you work for an airline. DUH!
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:31:54 GMT, rhopkins@loainc.com wrote:

>So if I ride my mt. bike on Sonora Pass in the Sierra (a motor vechicle
>route just as the Boliva Highway is, which btw it is a major route for
>vehicular trafic in that country) and die than I died mt. biking.

Yes, and the sooner, the better.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:01:00 -0500, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:53:44 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...urist-Death.php
>>>>
>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>> Monday.
>>>>
>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>> meters).
>>>>
>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>
>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>
>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>
>> He was riding a mountain bike on a mountain road. What part of
>> "mountain biking" don't you understand?
>
>Gee Mikey, riding a bicycle on an existing road used by motorized
>passenger vehicles and cargo trucks does a lot of additional damage to
>the environment, right?

Yes, if you run over animals or plants or people. Mitchell, of
course, rode off-road, as you do.

I suppose riding a touring bicycle would fine
>however, since bicycles sold as "mountain bikes" are inherently evil,
>even if ridden exclusively on improved roads with street tread tires.
>[End sarcasm]
>
>Unlike Mikey, I actually own a bicycle with knobby tires (Trek 6000) and
>have ridden it (barney like, but that is beside the point) on
>single-track. But then, Mikey lets his obsession with "mountain bikes"
>get in way of any kind of logical thought process.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Tom Sherman

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:01:00 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:53:44 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...urist-Death.php
>>>>>
>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>> meters).
>>>>>
>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>> He was riding a mountain bike on a mountain road. What part of
>>> "mountain biking" don't you understand?
>> Gee Mikey, riding a bicycle on an existing road used by motorized
>> passenger vehicles and cargo trucks does a lot of additional damage to
>> the environment, right?
>
> Yes, if you run over animals or plants or people. Mitchell, of
> course, rode off-road, as you do.
>
Yep, lots of carnage of plants, animals and people is caused by ROAD
cyclists. [end sarcasm]

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Tom Sherman

Siskuwihane wrote:
> On Apr 26, 1:05 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:53:44 -0500, Tom Sherman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>> Monday.
>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>> meters).
>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>> He was riding a mountain bike on a mountain road. What part of
>> "mountain biking" don't you understand?
>
> Keep in mind Mike claims he wrote a book on mountain biking, he won't
> tell us the title of the book, but it probably has trails in it with
> names like I-80, US1, Route 322 and Main Street.

ROTFLMAO!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Jeff Strickland

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>>
>>Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>their deaths here too.
>
> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>



You've sunk to a new low, Mike. You advocate that bicycles belong on
pavement, then find an obscure story of a mountain bike being operated on
pavement and blame the mountain bike for the death of the rider. And, you
just dissed a guy that agrees with you that bikes do not belong on the
trail. Good job!

marika

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fuung2$fl1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> Unlike Mikey, I actually own a bicycle with knobby tires (Trek 6000) and
> have ridden it (barney like, but that is beside the point) on
> single-track. But then, Mikey lets his obsession with "mountain bikes" get
> in way of any kind of logical thought process.
>

and you wonder why people get divorced

mk5000

" It's a funny thing about being in love. Sometimes it's easier to tell when
you are than when you aren't. "--Daisy Kenyon:

Ronnie Guthrie

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:cic614h4e7n0ibl7fei8ui9gsdkbj6hc2e@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
> <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>>> <bpnjensen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Evolution at work:
>>>>>
>>>>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>>
>>>>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>> > Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>> > meters).
>>>>>
>>>>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>>Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>>their deaths here too.
>>>
>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>
>>So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>>bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>
> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!

I think not. Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. He was riding on a "road"
(http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)

>
> Would you have
>>been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
>>hiking?
>>Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for
>>everyone
>>to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.
>
> It's there for everyone to enjoy, but only in an appropriate
> (low-impact) way. There is no reason for allowing bicycles off-road,
> where they destroy wildlife and wildlife habitat -- something I
> predict that you aren't honest enough to admit, but something that is
> obvious to everyone else.
>
I agree, we are all responsible for ensuring that we minimise the impact we
all have on wildlife and it's natural habitat, which is why I only ride
'off-road' on designated trails built especially for mountain bikers. For
this privilege I pay an annual membership (at my local trail) or an entry
fee for trails in other areas which is used to support sustainable forestry
and environmental education (http://www.friendsofdalbyforest.org.uk)
As it happens, I've just returned from a most enjoyable ride in Dalby
Forest, where I did see numerous examples of wildlife in their natural
habitat (including a couple of deer).
I like mountain biking, you obviously don't. Stop assuming all
mountain-bikers have no disregard for wildlife and their habitat.

>>>>Bruce Jensen
>>> --
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>>> fond of!
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Siskuwihane

On Apr 26, 9:53*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 26, 8:09*am, "Ronnie Guthrie" <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>
> >> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
> >> > <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>
> >> >>> > Evolution at work:
>
> >> >>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>
> >> >>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
> >> >>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
> >> >>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
> >> >>> > Monday.
>
> >> >>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
> >> >>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
> >> >>> > meters).
>
> >> >>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
> >> >>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>
> >> >>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
> >> >>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
> >> >>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>
> >> >>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
> >> >>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>
> >> >>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> >> >>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >>Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
> >> >>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
> >> >>their deaths here too.
>
> >> > So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
> >> > do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>
> >> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
> >> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles? *Would you have
> >> been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
> >> hiking?
> >> Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for everyone
> >> to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.
>
> >The only time Mike gets outdoors is when he's walking from long-term
> >parking to the terminal.
>
> We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
> familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
> you work for an airline. DUH!


Stop lying Michael, I do not work for an airline. Once again you have
to lie.

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 26, 9:53*am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Apr 26, 8:09*am, "Ronnie Guthrie" <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> "Mike Vandeman" <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>> >> > <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>
>> >> >>> > Evolution at work:
>>
>> >> >>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>
>> >> >>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>> >> >>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>> >> >>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>> >> >>> > Monday.
>>
>> >> >>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>> >> >>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>> >> >>> > meters).
>>
>> >> >>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>> >> >>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>
>> >> >>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>> >> >>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>> >> >>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>
>> >> >>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>> >> >>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>
>> >> >>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> >> >>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >>Exactly. *I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>> >> >>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. *Motor vehicles plunge to
>> >> >>their deaths here too.
>>
>> >> > So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>> >> > do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>
>> >> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>> >> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles? *Would you have
>> >> been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
>> >> hiking?
>> >> Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for everyone
>> >> to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.
>>
>> >The only time Mike gets outdoors is when he's walking from long-term
>> >parking to the terminal.
>>
>> We psychologists call that "Projection". Obviously, you have more
>> familiarity with parking than I do, since I don't own a car and since
>> you work for an airline. DUH!
>
>
>Stop lying Michael, I do not work for an airline. Once again you have
>to lie.

Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
--
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Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
<ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:cic614h4e7n0ibl7fei8ui9gsdkbj6hc2e@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>> <ronnieguthrie@h_tmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>news:7ee51413vncfdam3hols3g2io31hk3qka6@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>>>> <bpnjensen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Evolution at work:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008...-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>>> > of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>>> > Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>>> > Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>>> > Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>>> > meters).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>>> > Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>>> > guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>>> > breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>>> > paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>>>c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>>>their deaths here too.
>>>>
>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>>
>>>So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>>>bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>>
>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
>
>I think not. Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. He was riding on a "road"
>(http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)

You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
He rode off-road! DUH!

>> Would you have
>>>been happier if the unfortunate Mr Mitchell had fallen to his death whilst
>>>hiking?
>>>Get yourself a life and accept that the great outdoors is there for
>>>everyone
>>>to enjoy, whether that be on foot or (self powered) two wheels.
>>
>> It's there for everyone to enjoy, but only in an appropriate
>> (low-impact) way. There is no reason for allowing bicycles off-road,
>> where they destroy wildlife and wildlife habitat -- something I
>> predict that you aren't honest enough to admit, but something that is
>> obvious to everyone else.
>>
>I agree, we are all responsible for ensuring that we minimise the impact we
>all have on wildlife and it's natural habitat, which is why I only ride
>'off-road' on designated trails built especially for mountain bikers.

That doesn't make it okay! You still accelerate erosion, create
V-shaped ruts, kill small animals & plants on & next to the trail, &
drive wildlife & other trail users out of the parks. There's no such
thing as sustainable mountain biking.

For
>this privilege I pay an annual membership (at my local trail) or an entry
>fee for trails in other areas which is used to support sustainable forestry
>and environmental education (http://www.friendsofdalbyforest.org.uk)
>As it happens, I've just returned from a most enjoyable ride in Dalby
>Forest, where I did see numerous examples of wildlife in their natural
>habitat (including a couple of deer).
>I like mountain biking, you obviously don't. Stop assuming all
>mountain-bikers have no disregard for wildlife and their habitat.

It's true! People who care about wildlife don't run over them with a
mountain bike! That's as plain as the nose on your face.

>>>>>Bruce Jensen
>>>> --
>>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>>>> fond of!
>>>>
>>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

rhopkins@loainc.com

So Mikey than the logical extension is that I simply need to ride my rode
bike on the trail and I am rode riding, nice logic dipwit.

If you die while having sex wearing hiking boots did you die as a hiker, or
in your case maybe wearing a sheep outfit while having sex you actually died
as a sheep.

Keep the entertainment going, I use to think you were simply a troll and
this was your way to get off since you probably could never get a woman to
sleep with you, but I finally realized you are simply as stupid as you
sound.