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03-05.-2008, 07:09 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
On May 2, 12:47 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote: > Hey guys, how about this little light for my Topeak rack? > > http://www.topeak.com/products/detail/205 > > They also have this one... > > http://www.topeak.com/products/detail/204 > > I'm reading in other forums though that some people ride with as many > lights as possible. > > Isn't a basic strategy of survival to be seen, no matter what? Roger, too much ain't enough... light it up with as much battery power as yer willing to carry. But don't stop there, get a dyno hub and light it up some more. You got to be really bright 'cause motorists ain't. |
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04-05.-2008, 03:21 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
>>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It
>>> just distracts other drivers and makes them focus >>> on the blinking. >> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? > They aren't ok. =v= You've asserted this three times now. What's the basis? Are there actual field studies indicating that blinking lights are a hazard? Have they actually been correlated with greater danger for cyclists? <_Jym_> |
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04-05.-2008, 03:21 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
>>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It
>>> just distracts other drivers and makes them focus >>> on the blinking. >> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? > They aren't ok. =v= You've asserted this three times now. What's the basis? Are there actual field studies indicating that blinking lights are a hazard? Have they actually been correlated with greater danger for cyclists? <_Jym_> |
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04-05.-2008, 04:48 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:36:06 +0200, Jens Müller wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >> On May 1, 5:24 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>> >>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he >>>> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with >>>> blinking lights >>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It just distracts other >>> drivers and makes them focus on the blinking. >> >> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? > > They aren't ok. Why not? |
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04-05.-2008, 04:48 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:36:06 +0200, Jens Müller wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >> On May 1, 5:24 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>> >>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he >>>> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with >>>> blinking lights >>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It just distracts other >>> drivers and makes them focus on the blinking. >> >> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? > > They aren't ok. Why not? |
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04-05.-2008, 06:20 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
Tom Keats schrieb:
> The real reason bicycle red rear lights blink > is to conserve battery juice and avoid expense. What batteries? Here bicycles need to have a dynamo (by law). The only exception are racing bikes, "thanks" to Franz-Josef Strauß, former Prime Minister of Bavaria. |
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04-05.-2008, 06:20 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
Tom Keats schrieb:
> The real reason bicycle red rear lights blink > is to conserve battery juice and avoid expense. What batteries? Here bicycles need to have a dynamo (by law). The only exception are racing bikes, "thanks" to Franz-Josef Strauß, former Prime Minister of Bavaria. |
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04-05.-2008, 06:38 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nhgivf.053.ln@vcn.bc.ca... > In article <1auhca968r2go$.15yl7mzrokpf2.dlg@40tude.net>, > _ <jtayNOSPAMlor@hfDONTSENDMESPAMx.andara.com> writes: >> On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:36:06 +0200, Jens Müller wrote: >> >>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>> On May 1, 5:24 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >>>>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he >>>>>> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with >>>>>> blinking lights >>>>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It just distracts >>>>> other >>>>> drivers and makes them focus on the blinking. >>>> >>>> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? >>> >>> They aren't ok. >> >> Why not? > > There's a belief that it's more difficult for > an observer to determine the speed and vector > of a blinking, rather than steady light in the > darkness of night. Perhaps blinking lights > confuse our human, pathological tendency of > Persistance Of Vision. What're those things > called? Oh, yeah: "optical illusions." I > suppose there's a wariness about blinking > lights creating optical illusions. Or epileptic seizures. |
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04-05.-2008, 06:38 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nhgivf.053.ln@vcn.bc.ca... > In article <1auhca968r2go$.15yl7mzrokpf2.dlg@40tude.net>, > _ <jtayNOSPAMlor@hfDONTSENDMESPAMx.andara.com> writes: >> On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:36:06 +0200, Jens Müller wrote: >> >>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>> On May 1, 5:24 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >>>>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he >>>>>> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with >>>>>> blinking lights >>>>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It just distracts >>>>> other >>>>> drivers and makes them focus on the blinking. >>>> >>>> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? >>> >>> They aren't ok. >> >> Why not? > > There's a belief that it's more difficult for > an observer to determine the speed and vector > of a blinking, rather than steady light in the > darkness of night. Perhaps blinking lights > confuse our human, pathological tendency of > Persistance Of Vision. What're those things > called? Oh, yeah: "optical illusions." I > suppose there's a wariness about blinking > lights creating optical illusions. Or epileptic seizures. |
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04-05.-2008, 06:56 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
In article <683vn2F2qnuprU1@mid.individual.net>,
Jens Müller <usenet-11-2007@tessarakt.de> writes: > Tom Keats schrieb: > >> The real reason bicycle red rear lights blink >> is to conserve battery juice and avoid expense. > > What batteries? Here bicycles need to have a dynamo (by law). Here in British Columbia bicycles just need to have lights at all, for riding at night. I use dynamo lights. They work well for my purposes. But I supplement them with battery lights which have the option of flashing or steady beam. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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04-05.-2008, 06:56 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
In article <683vn2F2qnuprU1@mid.individual.net>,
Jens Müller <usenet-11-2007@tessarakt.de> writes: > Tom Keats schrieb: > >> The real reason bicycle red rear lights blink >> is to conserve battery juice and avoid expense. > > What batteries? Here bicycles need to have a dynamo (by law). Here in British Columbia bicycles just need to have lights at all, for riding at night. I use dynamo lights. They work well for my purposes. But I supplement them with battery lights which have the option of flashing or steady beam. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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04-05.-2008, 10:32 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:05:11 -0700, Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <1auhca968r2go$.15yl7mzrokpf2.dlg@40tude.net>, > _ <jtayNOSPAMlor@hfDONTSENDMESPAMx.andara.com> writes: >> On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:36:06 +0200, Jens Müller wrote: >> >>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>> On May 1, 5:24 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >>>>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he >>>>>> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with >>>>>> blinking lights >>>>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It just distracts other >>>>> drivers and makes them focus on the blinking. >>>> >>>> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? >>> >>> They aren't ok. >> >> Why not? > > There's a belief that it's more difficult for > an observer to determine the speed and vector > of a blinking, rather than steady light in the > darkness of night. Perhaps blinking lights > confuse our human, pathological tendency of > Persistance Of Vision. Well, more than a "belief" would be required for any effort to attempt to persuade others to adopt the same conclusion. Unless Muller is being merely religious. |
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04-05.-2008, 10:32 AM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
On Sat, 3 May 2008 13:05:11 -0700, Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <1auhca968r2go$.15yl7mzrokpf2.dlg@40tude.net>, > _ <jtayNOSPAMlor@hfDONTSENDMESPAMx.andara.com> writes: >> On Fri, 02 May 2008 19:36:06 +0200, Jens Müller wrote: >> >>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>> On May 1, 5:24 pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >>>>> ComandanteBanana schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And he >>>>>> ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest with >>>>>> blinking lights >>>>> Args. Please don't use this blinking bullshits. It just distracts other >>>>> drivers and makes them focus on the blinking. >>>> >>>> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? >>> >>> They aren't ok. >> >> Why not? > > There's a belief that it's more difficult for > an observer to determine the speed and vector > of a blinking, rather than steady light in the > darkness of night. Perhaps blinking lights > confuse our human, pathological tendency of > Persistance Of Vision. Well, more than a "belief" would be required for any effort to attempt to persuade others to adopt the same conclusion. Unless Muller is being merely religious. |
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04-05.-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
On Fri, 02 May 2008 06:50:35 -0700, Pat wrote:
> On May 1, 5:49Â*pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On May 1, 5:24Â*pm, Jens Müller <usenet-11-2...@tessarakt.de> wrote: >> >> > ComandanteBanana schrieb: >> >> > > Anyway, now my next door neighbor wants to ride at midnight... And >> > > he ain't one of those crazy bums on a Huffy. He even bought a vest >> > > with blinking lights ....SNIP... >> I don't think any solid >> light will be strong enough to be seen by drivers who simply aren't >> looking for bikes at that time... if they are paying any attention at >> all. ....SNIP... >Anything you can do to increase your visible profile is helpful. Perhaps Cold Cathode Wire is the answer to being seen. See: http://www.vibelights.com/elwibikit.html Now that is being visible!!! Of course it is a bit gaudy... Rich B. |
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04-05.-2008, 05:03 PM
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Re: Riding at night: a strategy for survival?
In article <zd7ty9kauxwd$.1ugblsmw4ghta.dlg@40tude.net>,
_ <jtayNOSPAMlor@hfDONTSENDMESPAMx.andara.com> writes: >>>>> So how is it the blinking rear lights are OK? >>>> >>>> They aren't ok. >>> >>> Why not? >> >> There's a belief that it's more difficult for >> an observer to determine the speed and vector >> of a blinking, rather than steady light in the >> darkness of night. Perhaps blinking lights >> confuse our human, pathological tendency of >> Persistance Of Vision. > > Well, more than a "belief" would be required for any effort to attempt to > persuade others to adopt the same conclusion. > > Unless Muller is being merely religious. In my own empirical observations I've found my above statement to be true. I, however, don't mind that blinking lights may make drivers' brains work harder. Whatever it takes to keep 'em on their toes & alert. There's been too much emphasis on dumbing-down driving, instead of smartening it up. When we dumb something down, we end up with a bunch o' dummies doing it. Some jurisdictions in various nations & countries only allow blinking/flashing lights on emergency vehicles. Fair enough. It's been suggested that blinking/flashing lights attract drunk drivers and cause them to crash into the vehicle with the light source, but I think that's just a canard. I think cyclists should be allowed to have blue tail lights, either flashing or steady. Anybody who can't tell the difference between a Police/Fire/Ambulance cherry & a bicycle light is too stoopid to be on the street. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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