My Power Profile is Embarrassing

john979

I gave you crank torque...

If you want to "believe" soemthing that is fine. I have not seen any data yet that disproves my point.

Let's point it more bluntly. Dr. Coggan and I have very, very similar power profiles. He could not improve his 5-second sprint power to above 1000 watts. You know something he doesn't?

velomanct

All I know is that I don't ride like ANYONE else out there that I've ever come across. I know how people train, I know the typical roadie mentallity when it comes to sprint training. I'm not saying that's you, but that is typical.

I love a challenge, when it's something that I love to begin with. Watts are just a number, and to me, that is not a lot. If you have the will and determination, you can definitely suprise yourself of what you are capable of.

I don't like the idea of being limited by genetics, although I believe it plays a role. Like I said above, I like to defy the norm. No one great has ever gotten to where they are without defying the norm.

And as I said before, your body is only capable of what your mind allows it. So by saying that "I will never go over 1000watts", well that's the best way to never go above 1000watts.

I also believe there are athletes out there who, if they really wanted to, could go above Dr. Coggan's power profile maximum of 24w/kg for 5 seconds on the bike. The reason that is the max is because there is no gold medal for 5 second power.

__________________
"friendship, family, religion. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business!" -Mr. Burns
The faster you go, the fewer passing cars

velomanct

Do you know that road sprinters like Petacchi have a 5 second power in the 22w/kg range? 75kg and 1700w. Cipo could hit 1800 (I'm infering this from the claim he peaks at 2k) and he weighed, 80kg or so. That's 22.5w/kg.

What if they didn't do all that endurance work and focused on sprinting solely? I bet they could go over 24w/kg easily.

__________________
"friendship, family, religion. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business!" -Mr. Burns
The faster you go, the fewer passing cars

john979

Believe what you want to believe...

acoggan

Arguing against that conclusion is the fact that the (two-leg) maximal neuromuscular power of elite athletes is comparable across various sports, e.g., track cycling, BMX, powerlifting, athletics (track and field), etc.

velomanct

So it's safe to say that no human can produce more than 24w/kg for 5 seconds?


Awesome, I love a challenge.

__________________
"friendship, family, religion. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business!" -Mr. Burns
The faster you go, the fewer passing cars

Malkmus

Yep. This is why I am not going to become a tt guy so I can race my strengths. Crits are a blast and they make me smile afterwords.

__________________

Malkmus

Probably right in general. Having a bit of snap can't hurt though. I included my data because it is quantifiable. It shows that my figures really suck. Also, it gives me a way to try to measure improvement.

__________________

velomanct

I did a group ride tonight, fast paced, first "race" type riding I've done this year.

It was okay, but pretty boring for me overall.

On the way back home I am feeling drained. But I come to a usual sprint spot where I launch it up a 3% grade after a small downhill. So I go for it, not expecting too much given how I felt. But I made a new record speed up it. Years ago I'd never imagine going that fast on that section, but now I'm doing it.

What do I do now? Raise the bar. That's how I ROLL.....

lol, but this what I mean, this is what I thrive on. I feel like I have this energy, and letting it out in a sprint, it's like a drug for me. Ever since I was little, I felt it. I love it.

It's not something I can access in any other way that sprinting on the bike.

__________________
"friendship, family, religion. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business!" -Mr. Burns
The faster you go, the fewer passing cars

john979

This is the way us slow-twitch guys feel when we drop big sprinters on a long climb...

jsirabella

I really wish you luck!! Show they are wrong!

No matter the outcome you will be better than the ones who do not even try.

Now this is alot more fun that all the stats in the world. This is where the human element makes the difference.

I have seen some of the most amazing stuff in gyms, check out below of a girl who could bench 402 lbs and 148lbs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpw-NcYXDIQ

At 180lbs and on my best day I can get ... 300 max for 1 rep.

-js

acoggan

No, because at least one person has already done it. However, I'd say that it's safe to say that the maximum power than any human can produce for 5 s is ~25 W/kg. IOW, it's not simply a matter of making that one's goal, as you implied.

EDIT: Note that I am specifically excluding those who are "chemically enhanced".

jsirabella

So what number is safe in your opinion and as far as chemically enhanced are we talking strictly roids?

I am interested as I believe I have some good power with the weights so maybe I can see what I can do for 5 sec on the bike. Had done olympic style in my past life.

-js

acoggan

As I said, ~25 W/kg (note the "~"), at least for now.



That's what first comes to mind, although other possiblities might exist (e.g., clenbuterol). In any case, the data that I've seen come from cyclists who are routinely tested by the UCI, WADA, etc., so there is at least some level of control.