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Old 24-05.-2008, 10:40 AM   #31
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Thinking back over the past year, I've often wondered why despite improving, I've not improved as much as I thought I would - in comparison to how I improved due to training when I used to race.
It's called "getting older". Get used to it because it isn't going to go away.
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Old 24-05.-2008, 10:49 AM   #32
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How big are you? If you can 340-380 watts for 45 minutes, you should be a CAT2...
Yeah, if he was of average height and weight, I'd agree.

I seem to remember him mentioning more typical numbers on his coach's trainer back when he was a lad in "old Blighty". 300-320 W intervals, around in there somewhere, stuff like that.

No offence to Mr. Swampy but I'd say that he'd better be pretty sure that he was putting the right numbers in to acc.com. I've seen some people make some colossal mistakes making the wrong assumptions and/or putting the wrong numbers into the website.
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Old 24-05.-2008, 12:49 PM   #33
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My Doc was pretty open yesterday about how he's completely baffled but also pointed out that it's "Kaiser policy" to do a PFT before an echo, hence the echo cannot be ordered before a PFT. Why, I have no idea...

My wife has a friend who's worked at Kaiser as a nurse for many years and we're going to have a chat over the weekend about exactly how to involve "member services" to get things taken care of sooner rather than later. But I think I'm just going to give UCD a call and at the very least get a cost. I know their sports dept does VO2 max testing and all that good stuff and it was cheaper than what I thought it'd be....

The one thing that intregues me now is that my voice has been 'jacked' for the past couple of weeks, almost to the point of going out. Even with the antibiotics they put me on last week, that didn't improve.

Thinking back over the past year, I've often wondered why despite improving, I've not improved as much as I thought I would - in comparison to how I improved due to training when I used to race. Progression was there - but it was slower and to be honest I've always been pretty good at sports that were pretty tough aerobically. I was asked to go swim for one of the better clubs in England (Wigan Wasps) when I was 12, represented the towns schools in cross country running and track at 16 and was pretty handy on a bike too up until my mid 20's. So recently, busting my ass for over 2 years and still only managing to muster enough pace up hills to match people who don't win 4th Cat races was becoming a little hard to swallow. The past few months saw some nice gains but maybe that's another story. Maybe I've had issues this past year or so and didn't know it.

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I don't have any power meter data, but then again if punch in some numbers into analytical cycling for the climbs, then numbers come out to between 340 and 380 watts - and the climb near here that I basically live on during training takes about 45 minutes and I do it a few times. So to go from that to stuggling to walk across the parking lot at a normal pace is about where I'm at. That said I have felt somewhat better the past couple of days... I haven't touched the bike the past few weeks.
The rules are there for a reason, to keep costs under control, but they can also be broken under special circumstances. When I was in the military, which is very similar to the Kaiser system, except for the deployments, all it took, usually, was a call to my boss or the boss above him to say I had something that needed something out of the ordinary. Your doc should be able to get this done if he really wants to. Maybe he is new to the system and doesn't know how to stand up for the patients yet. IMHO, your problem deserves more action. I don't know what the issue is (based upon your last post, maybe you have an endocrine problem, like thyroid, blood work would be nice also). Something is going on. If I were your doctor I would be on the phone trying to get answers sooner than later. It is not like you have a rash. You have gone from vigourous athlete to being unable to walk across a parking lot in a short period of time. I would want to know what is going on before it got any worse.
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Old 24-05.-2008, 01:04 PM   #34
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Yeah, if he was of average height and weight, I'd agree.

I seem to remember him mentioning more typical numbers on his coach's trainer back when he was a lad in "old Blighty". 300-320 W intervals, around in there somewhere, stuff like that.

No offence to Mr. Swampy but I'd say that he'd better be pretty sure that he was putting the right numbers in to acc.com. I've seen some people make some colossal mistakes making the wrong assumptions and/or putting the wrong numbers into the website.

It was 340watts average for an hour at 6mmol/L blood lactate on the time trial bike. As measured - not guestimated and there was still some gas left in the tank but that was mostly due to arriving a little late and not being fully used to the time trial bike. Back then I was 145lbs -/+ a few pounds depending on the time of year. Now I'm hovering around 175 to 180. I was 220lb which is what forced me to quit racing cars and get back on the bike.

There was a thread a few months ago that I started in which I questioned whether analytical cycling popped out believable numbers. I overestimated a bit the average % grade by a couple of percent (20 rather than 18 for the last 1/2 of the climb) , but it's one of those hills that even the likes of Jonathon Vaughters (ex record holder of Mt Ventoux) needed 39x27 to race up in a 7 mile stage of the Solano Classic back in 2003.
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The more immediate concern is to get health. When you are healthy, go invest in a power tap. This will help you to get back to form without overstressing yourself.

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The rules are there for a reason, to keep costs under control, but they can also be broken under special circumstances. When I was in the military, which is very similar to the Kaiser system, except for the deployments, all it took, usually, was a call to my boss or the boss above him to say I had something that needed something out of the ordinary. Your doc should be able to get this done if he really wants to. Maybe he is new to the system and doesn't know how to stand up for the patients yet. IMHO, your problem deserves more action. I don't know what the issue is (based upon your last post, maybe you have an endocrine problem, like thyroid, blood work would be nice also). Something is going on. If I were your doctor I would be on the phone trying to get answers sooner than later. It is not like you have a rash. You have gone from vigourous athlete to being unable to walk across a parking lot in a short period of time. I would want to know what is going on before it got any worse.

I had a full CBC, TSH (thyroid), Glucose, Iron/TIBC, Ferritin as well as a few general tests that Kaiser do on new patients. All came back normal apart from the iron, ferritin and hematocrit was toward the lower end of the scale but just within the 'normal' range, ALT which was high and I was just under the normal range for potassium. Everything else was seemingly fine and dandy.

I found out late this afternoon that most of Kaiser's clerical staff had today off - as well as Monday. I gotta get me a job there! Took me 25 minutes to get someone on the phone. The irony is that I turned down the chance of working there on a 18 month contract at the new Vacaville facility. Maybe they treat their staff better than Joe Public.
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Did they test creatine phosphokinase (CK), serum aldolase and aspartate aminotransferase (AST)?

Do you have any chest or shoulder pain or discomfort on the left side?
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The more immediate concern is to get health. When you are healthy, go invest in a power tap. This will help you to get back to form without overstressing yourself.

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I was thinking about it. I was actually going to take advantage of the "rent one for a week" deal that some dealers are offering during July and take it up on the Deathride.

As for the overstressing part. Due to the length of my hilly rides I always took care to keep the HR down on the hills. I don't know what my max HR is right now but it used to be 212 (12 years ago) but I rarely see over 180. I know that max value has probably come down but by how much I'm not sure.
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I was thinking about it. I was actually going to take advantage of the "rent one for a week" deal that some dealers are offering during July and take it up on the Deathride.

As for the overstressing part. Due to the length of my hilly rides I always took care to keep the HR down on the hills. I don't know what my max HR is right now but it used to be 212 (12 years ago) but I rarely see over 180. I know that max value has probably come down but by how much I'm not sure.

The great thing about a PM, when coupled with the right software (Cycling Peaks Software) you get a precise quantification of your training load. PM (or HR) monitoring is great during the ride, but you need to look at data holistically as well.
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Did they test creatine phosphokinase (CK), serum aldolase and aspartate aminotransferase (AST)?

Do you have any chest or shoulder pain or discomfort on the left side?

They didn't test for those during my first visit to the Docs however, they may have tested for those during my subsequent visit to the Emergency Room. As I've since learned, tested done at the ER are not shown on your "online records" but the doc confirmed during my last visit what the doc at the ER had said that based on the blood work and EKG there wasno evidence of a recent heart attack. There may well be other things going on with my ticker.

From what I've read, ALT responds in a similar way to AST, in so much that very high levels are usually present following a heart attack or other cardiac 'events'. I can see on my records that the ALT level is higher than normal, suggesting that I've enjoyed plenty of "falling down water" over the years, but nowhere near the levels suggested that one may see during major heart problems.

I do have discomfort on my left side. It's more like a feeling of pressure around 6 to 9 inches below my armpit in an area about the size of a hand and discomfort across most of the middle of my back around the bottom of the ribcage
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The great thing about a PM, when coupled with the right software (Cycling Peaks Software) you get a precise quantification of your training load. PM (or HR) monitoring is great during the ride, but you need to look at data holistically as well.

I still have my data stored in the Polar program provided with the CS600. I guess I could always just upload that into something like Cycling Peaks....

But to be honest, 4 hours on Sunday, and hour and change on Tuesday and Thursday, 1 to 2 hours on Saturday and a real easy rides up and down the bike trails with my 5 year old is hardly the training program leading to overload and pending doom.

Maybe I've just been working too many 12 to 18 hour days recently with all the data migrations and systems changes..... I put that to the Doc and he pretty much said probably not.
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If I were your doctor I would be on the phone trying to get answers sooner than later. It is not like you have a rash. You have gone from vigourous athlete to being unable to walk across a parking lot in a short period of time. I would want to know what is going on before it got any worse.
Welcome to the US health system, Swampy. You have to be a strong advocate for yourself since no one else is going to do it for you, not even your doctor. He/she is way too busy, way too tied up in health insurance red tape and way too afraid of getting sued. Your doctor may actually resist you and fight you if you try to be more pushy and demanding. It's silly but I've seen it happen.
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Welcome to the US health system, Swampy. You have to be a strong advocate for yourself since no one else is going to do it for you, not even your doctor. He/she is way too busy, way too tied up in health insurance red tape and way too afraid of getting sued. Your doctor may actually resist you and fight you if you try to be more pushy and demanding. It's silly but I've seen it happen.

Thanks guys for the advice - looks like I'll have to start making some calls.
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A couple of phone calls later and I got my PFT done this morning - a month and a half ahead of schedule.

The Doc, who apparently just started with Kaiser after years of working in the military, asked me what was going on and shook his head and the actions of my practitioner, who even failed on a basic level to tell me how to take my inhailers properly. I now have a cool widget that 'whistles' at me when I suck the stuff in too hard - slow and gentle is the key to getting it into your lungs apparently. She said that the reason that my voice is jacked is because I've got a few weeks of inhailer goop coating my throat due to incorrect use....

But it would appear, as Frank suggested, that there's nothing of interest with the data that was collected. Unfortunately, apart from the odd comment from the Doc, they won't provide the data from the tests.

This doc said she's going to write a "too the point" letter to my doc that probably won't win her any favors...
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A couple of phone calls later and I got my PFT done this morning - a month and a half ahead of schedule.

The Doc, who apparently just started with Kaiser after years of working in the military, asked me what was going on and shook his head and the actions of my practitioner, who even failed on a basic level to tell me how to take my inhailers properly. I now have a cool widget that 'whistles' at me when I suck the stuff in too hard - slow and gentle is the key to getting it into your lungs apparently. She said that the reason that my voice is jacked is because I've got a few weeks of inhailer goop coating my throat due to incorrect use....

But it would appear, as Frank suggested, that there's nothing of interest with the data that was collected. Unfortunately, apart from the odd comment from the Doc, they won't provide the data from the tests.

This doc said she's going to write a "too the point" letter to my doc that probably won't win her any favors...
So, are you going to get an ultrasound, or are they going to give you a little time now that you know how to use your inhaler properly?
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