Cycling wrong way up one way street

TimB

On 13 May, 18:09, TimB <stokef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the law on cycling the wrong way up a one way street? A few
> days ago, I was walking home, and saw two people on white Police
> cycles, wearing hi vis jackets with POLICE emblazoned on the back,
> travelling at a very leisurely pace, the wrong way round a local one
> way system, on the pavement. It may or may not have said "Community
> Support Officer" in smaller writing underneath.
>
> Unfortunately, I was too far behind the officers to challenge them
> about their behaviour. I managed to get a few photos on my phone, but
> they're very poor quality and wouldn't allow for identification. What
> would be the best route to take to report these officers? As a
> cyclist, I despise inconsiderate cycling at the best of times, but
> from people who are a) supposed to be enforcing the law, and b) whose
> inconsiderate cycling is much more noticable because of their
> position, it's unacceptable.
>
> If this was a normal cyclist, what would be the expected penalty if
> caught doing this?

After an email to the Police Professional Standards department, I got
this reply today:

"Thank you for bringing to my attention the two PCSO's riding on the
footpath in Marsh Street on the 11th May. As a result of your comments
I have discussed the incident with all of my staff and reiterated
their position when out and about in the public eye. Officers do
attend training for on and off road circumstances as part of a full
risk assessment prior to being allowed to use the cycles. I am pleased
to see that you observed the officers riding at a leisurely pace and
did not appear to be in a hurry to get anywhere which comes from their
training of safe cycling, safety before speed. I am very lucky here at
Western Neighbourhood Policing Unit to have so many keen Community
Support Officers willing to cycle to their respective areas. This
increases their visibility and thus public reassurance. The cycles
have increased the amount of time each officer can spend on their area
and reduced walking to and from to a minimum.
Thank you for your comments which are duly noted. "

Make of it what you will.

Dead Paul

On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:37:59 -0700, TimB wrote:

> On 13 May, 18:09, TimB <stokef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What's the law on cycling the wrong way up a one way street? A few days
>> ago, I was walking home, and saw two people on white Police cycles,
>> wearing hi vis jackets with POLICE emblazoned on the back, travelling at
>> a very leisurely pace, the wrong way round a local one way system, on
>> the pavement. It may or may not have said "Community Support Officer" in
>> smaller writing underneath.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I was too far behind the officers to challenge them about
>> their behaviour. I managed to get a few photos on my phone, but they're
>> very poor quality and wouldn't allow for identification. What would be
>> the best route to take to report these officers? As a cyclist, I despise
>> inconsiderate cycling at the best of times, but from people who are a)
>> supposed to be enforcing the law, and b) whose inconsiderate cycling is
>> much more noticable because of their position, it's unacceptable.
>>
>> If this was a normal cyclist, what would be the expected penalty if
>> caught doing this?
>
> After an email to the Police Professional Standards department, I got this
> reply today:
>
> "Thank you for bringing to my attention the two PCSO's riding on the
> footpath in Marsh Street on the 11th May. As a result of your comments I
> have discussed the incident with all of my staff and reiterated their
> position when out and about in the public eye. Officers do attend training
> for on and off road circumstances as part of a full risk assessment prior
> to being allowed to use the cycles. I am pleased to see that you observed
> the officers riding at a leisurely pace and did not appear to be in a
> hurry to get anywhere which comes from their training of safe cycling,
> safety before speed. I am very lucky here at Western Neighbourhood
> Policing Unit to have so many keen Community Support Officers willing to
> cycle to their respective areas. This increases their visibility and thus
> public reassurance. The cycles have increased the amount of time each
> officer can spend on their area and reduced walking to and from to a
> minimum. Thank you for your comments which are duly noted. "
>
> Make of it what you will.

Yeah, it means it's ok if they do it.


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Adrian

TimB <stokefolk@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> "Thank you for bringing to my attention the two PCSO's riding on the
> footpath in Marsh Street on the 11th May.

> I am pleased to see
> that you observed the officers riding at a leisurely pace and did not
> appear to be in a hurry to get anywhere which comes from their training
> of safe cycling, safety before speed.

<rolls eyes>
"They weren't speeding, so they must have been safe..."

TBH, I don't see any difference between cycling the right way up the
pavement of a one way street, cycling up the pavement of a two-way street
and cycling the wrong way up the pavement of a one-way street - they
shouldn't be on the pavement in the first bloody place...

When they're on the road, then we'll talk about which is the correct
direction of travel...

Nick

Adrian wrote:
> TimB <stokefolk@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
>> "Thank you for bringing to my attention the two PCSO's riding on the
>> footpath in Marsh Street on the 11th May.
>
>> I am pleased to see
>> that you observed the officers riding at a leisurely pace and did not
>> appear to be in a hurry to get anywhere which comes from their training
>> of safe cycling, safety before speed.
>
> <rolls eyes>
> "They weren't speeding, so they must have been safe..."
>
Well it is the speed that normally causes the danger. What do you think
the danger from officers riding at a leisurely pace comes from?

Me

In article <g1jqfa$mfl$2@registered.motzarella.org>,
toomany2cvs@gmail.com says...
> TimB <stokefolk@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> > "Thank you for bringing to my attention the two PCSO's riding on the
> > footpath in Marsh Street on the 11th May.
>
> > I am pleased to see
> > that you observed the officers riding at a leisurely pace and did not
> > appear to be in a hurry to get anywhere which comes from their training
> > of safe cycling, safety before speed.
>
> <rolls eyes>
> "They weren't speeding, so they must have been safe..."
>
> TBH, I don't see any difference between cycling the right way up the
> pavement of a one way street, cycling up the pavement of a two-way street
> and cycling the wrong way up the pavement of a one-way street - they
> shouldn't be on the pavement in the first bloody place...
>
> When they're on the road, then we'll talk about which is the correct
> direction of travel...
>
Well, you could always arrest them and call the Police. Community
Support Offices (and the Police) actually, IIRC, have little powers more
than we do.
Of course, this might involve you accidentally falling down the stairs
at the local Station, but there we go.

dkahn400

On May 28, 4:33*pm, Me <nore...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Well, you could always arrest them and call the Police. Community
> Support Offices (and the Police) actually, IIRC, have little powers more
> than we do.

Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
qualify.

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Me

In article <7432cbb8-2c9f-47bc-ada1-06bfbea52408
@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, dkahn400@googlemail.com says...
> On May 28, 4:33*pm, Me <nore...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Well, you could always arrest them and call the Police. Community
> > Support Offices (and the Police) actually, IIRC, have little powers more
> > than we do.
>
> Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
> qualify.
>
Um, my understanding is that a citizen's arrest has the same legality as
a Police arrest. But, and a big but, you must call the Police to take
over.

Alasdair

On Wed, 28 May 2008 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT), dkahn400
<dkahn400@googlemail.com> wrote:

>Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
>qualify.

I thought *all* offences were now arrestable.
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Alasdair.

Brimstone

Alasdair wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT), dkahn400
> <dkahn400@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
>> qualify.
>
> I thought *all* offences were now arrestable.

Put a terrorist slant on it and it's a dead cert.

®i©ardo

dkahn400 wrote:
> On May 28, 4:33 pm, Me <nore...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Well, you could always arrest them and call the Police. Community
>> Support Offices (and the Police) actually, IIRC, have little powers more
>> than we do.
>
> Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
> qualify.
>
> --
> Dave...


....despite being against the law and dangerous.

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On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:57:31 +0100, Nick <Nick.Spam@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Adrian wrote:
>> TimB <stokefolk@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>> saying:
>>
>>> "Thank you for bringing to my attention the two PCSO's riding on the
>>> footpath in Marsh Street on the 11th May.
>>
>>> I am pleased to see
>>> that you observed the officers riding at a leisurely pace and did not
>>> appear to be in a hurry to get anywhere which comes from their training
>>> of safe cycling, safety before speed.
>>
>> <rolls eyes>
>> "They weren't speeding, so they must have been safe..."
>>
>Well it is the speed that normally causes the danger. What do you think
>the danger from officers riding at a leisurely pace comes from?

Say someone comes out of a shop and straight in to 2 cops on bikes
,not expecting to find cyclists on the pavement .

Cynic

On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:44:00 +0100, stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote:

>Say someone comes out of a shop and straight in to 2 cops on bikes
>,not expecting to find cyclists on the pavement .

If they are cycling slowly that is no more likely than coming out of a
shop and walking into a pedestrian on the pavement.

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Cynic

Alex Heney

On Wed, 28 May 2008 18:16:00 +0100, Me <noreply@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <7432cbb8-2c9f-47bc-ada1-06bfbea52408
>@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, dkahn400@googlemail.com says...
>> On May 28, 4:33*pm, Me <nore...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, you could always arrest them and call the Police. Community
>> > Support Offices (and the Police) actually, IIRC, have little powers more
>> > than we do.
>>
>> Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
>> qualify.
>>
>Um, my understanding is that a citizen's arrest has the same legality as
>a Police arrest. But, and a big but, you must call the Police to take
>over.

Your understanding is not quite correct.

For a citizen's arrest to be lawful, (Simplified) said citizen must
know or have reasonable grounds for suspicion that an *indictable*
offence is being committed (or has been committed).

A policeman can arrest for any offence, not only indictable ones.

Indictable means triable at crown court, not an offence that can only
be tried by magistrates courts.

Cycling on the footpath is not an indictable offence.
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Alex Heney

On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:21:41 +0100, Alasdair <mail@bobaxter.coo.uk>
wrote:

>On Wed, 28 May 2008 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT), dkahn400
><dkahn400@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>Citizen's arrest? I think you'll find pavement cycling doesn't
>>qualify.
>
>I thought *all* offences were now arrestable.

By police constables, yes.

By anybody else, no.
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