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20-05.-2008, 11:34 PM
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Cycling, the dirtiest sport???
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ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's weightlifting team. Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. <more there> There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any of them. Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive, and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news? Journalists, politicians, and used car salesmen. Same people, same ethics, different jobs. Bill C |
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21-05.-2008, 12:08 AM
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Re: Cycling, the dirtiest sport???
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<0e764181-a0fc-4cc0-8ad5-6f6cdadca1a6@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote: > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > of them. > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet > if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive, > and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news? Maybe that's because hardly anyone cares about weightlifting. Just face it, cycling is more exposed because it still has a large following while at the same time having fairly small financial backing compared to other professional sports. If Chung could bake us a nice plot of TV viewers vs. estimated $ value (maybe simply sum of salaries of professional athletes) for the main professional sports, I am pretty sure that cycling would come with the highest viewer/$ratio, by a wide margin. Why do you think that nobody ever mentions tennis or soccer anymore in relation with the Puerto affair? jyh. |
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21-05.-2008, 03:01 AM
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Re: Cycling, the dirtiest sport???
On May 20, 10:08*am, jean-yves hervé <j...@cs.uri.edu> wrote:
> > Maybe that's because hardly anyone cares about weightlifting. *Just face > it, cycling is more exposed because it still has a large following while > at the same time having fairly small financial backing compared to other > professional sports. *If Chung could bake us a nice plot of TV viewers > vs. estimated $ value (maybe simply sum of salaries of professional > athletes) for the main professional sports, I am pretty sure that > cycling would come with the highest viewer/$ratio, by a wide margin. Why > do you think that nobody ever mentions tennis or soccer anymore in > relation with the Puerto affair? > > jyh. I'm pretty cynical when it comes to these things, and the Boston Herald just made it a little more concrete when they finally admitted that they had NO credible evidence for a story that did millioms of dollars of damage to the NE Patriots and their players in terms of marketability. After that they have chosen to take no action at all against either the writer or editors responsible. There wasn't even an apology from the writer, until he later did so on his personal blog, not in the paper. I firmly believe that FIFA leaned on them and the story disappeared. Given soccer fans psychotic passion any investigation that was as driven and stretched as what was done to cycling would've caused riots and deaths, along with any politicians involved quickly becoming unemployed at the next election. There's no doubt in my mind that's the reason those portions of the investigation disappeared. Bill C |
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21-05.-2008, 03:32 AM
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Re: Cycling, the dirtiest sport???
Bill C wrote:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...-doping-scandal > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > weightlifting team. > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > <more there> > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > of them. > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet > if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive, > and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news? > Journalists, politicians, and used car salesmen. Same people, same > ethics, different jobs. > Bill C http://www.hulu.com/watch/4090/satu...l-drug-olympics -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 |
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22-05.-2008, 09:42 AM
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Re: Cycling, the dirtiest sport???
On 5/20/08 6:34 AM, in article
0e764181-a0fc-4cc0-8ad5-6f6cdadca1a...ooglegroups.com, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote: > http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...r-files-charges > -in-doping-scandal > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > weightlifting team. > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > <more there> > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > of them. > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet > if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive, > and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news? > Journalists, politicians, and used car salesmen. Same people, same > ethics, different jobs. > Bill C I thought most of the Greek team (for another sport) got thrown out of the last Olympics too for the same thing! |
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22-05.-2008, 11:39 AM
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On May 20, 6:34*am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file... > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > weightlifting team. > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > <more there> > > *There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > of them. > *Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? <snip> Dumbass - Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting. No one cares about weightlifting. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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22-05.-2008, 01:42 PM
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:182bf6c5-df92-4348-b2a8-23146fb11a3e@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com... On May 20, 6:34 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file... > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > weightlifting team. > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > <more there> > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > of them. > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? <snip> Dumbass - Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting. No one cares about weightlifting. thanks, K. Gringioni. ---------------------- You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big sport in the Balkan and Slavic regions. |
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22-05.-2008, 04:35 PM
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On May 21, 8:42*pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:182bf6c5-df92-4348-b2a8-23146fb11a3e@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > On May 20, 6:34 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file... > > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > > weightlifting team. > > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > > <more there> > > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > > of them. > > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? > > <snip> > > Dumbass - > > Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting. > > No one cares about weightlifting. > > thanks, > > K. Gringioni. > ---------------------- > > You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big sport > in the Balkan and Slavic regions. Dumbass - The OP wrote about whether the story will have international legs. Big Corporate Media will mostly ignore it because the demographic that drives their ad revenue doesn't reside in the places you mention. So yes, in that context, no one cares about weightlifting. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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22-05.-2008, 10:32 PM
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On May 22, 2:35*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 8:42*pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:182bf6c5-df92-4348-b2a8-23146fb11a3e@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > > On May 20, 6:34 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file.... > > > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > > > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > > > weightlifting team. > > > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > > > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > > > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > > > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > > > <more there> > > > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > > > of them. > > > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? > > > <snip> > > > Dumbass - > > > Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting. > > > No one cares about weightlifting. > > > thanks, > > > K. Gringioni. > > ---------------------- > > > You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big sport > > in the Balkan and Slavic regions. > > Dumbass - > > The OP wrote about whether the story will have international legs. > > Big Corporate Media will mostly ignore it because the demographic that > drives their ad revenue doesn't reside in the places you mention. > > So yes, in that context, no one cares about weightlifting. > > thanks, > > K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Dumbass It just demonstrates the hypocrisy behind the anti-doping grandstanders, and politicians. If it's not something that can be sensationalized, and used for huge public exposure, no matter how serious, it's not much of a story. Then they are VERY careful not to hit the sacred cow of FIFA because that would be counterproductive to the real goal of self glorification when the riots hit. The media and crusaders are about themselves, not the issue. The issues are just carefully chosen vehicles for their little game. Too bad for the lives and careers ruined. CAS says he didn't dope, but he's still out of a job. I seriously hope that Rock Racing does sign him. Bill C Bill C |
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22-05.-2008, 10:52 PM
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On May 20, 9:34*am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file... > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > weightlifting team. > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > <more there> > > *There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > of them. > *Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet > if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive, > and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news? > *Journalists, politicians, and used car salesmen. Same people, same > ethics, different jobs. > Bill C It hard to say if cycling is the dirtiest sport. It's interesting that many sports, like baseball, did very little to monitor for drugs till recently, and baseball is still way behind cycling. I wonder why the leadership in some sports monitor carefully and others don't? |
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22-05.-2008, 11:49 PM
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On May 22, 8:52*am, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 9:34*am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file... > > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > > weightlifting team. > > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > > <more there> > > > *There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > > of them. > > *Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? Wanna bet > > if almost every member of a country's cycling team tested positive, > > and the team wouldn't be going to the Olympics it'd be huge news? > > *Journalists, politicians, and used car salesmen. Same people, same > > ethics, different jobs. > > Bill C > > It hard to say if cycling is the dirtiest sport. > > It's interesting that many sports, like baseball, did very little to > monitor for drugs till recently, and baseball is still way behind > cycling. > > I wonder why the leadership in some sports monitor carefully and > others don't?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Have you seen interviews with NFL players, and read Lyle Alzado, and Bill Romanowski's stuff? There're a million stories from baseball about "greenies", amphetamines being in bowls on the training staffs tables, or with the food in the clubhouse through the 70s and 80s at least. All of this was an open secret, and well known to team mangament and the leagues. Basketball was drug central for the same period. In the power sports if you weren't doing a "cycle" of something, and usually "stacks" of stuff you were the odd idiot out. I was one of the very few idiots, but that was because I wasn't that stupid, at least about the shit they were doing. A handful of grandstanders, and people out to get Lance set this whole mess off, and the politicians ran with it. That's why it became an issue just like the baseball, steroids thing. Noone cared until the crusaders got into it, and if you think they actually care about the people involved, or some ethic, go look at your local rehab program, shelter, or group meeting and see if they are there every week helping people, or raising money for them. Cycling was no worse, and I'm guessing better than a lot of other sports. Bill C |
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23-05.-2008, 01:33 AM
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Re: Cycling, the dirtiest sport???
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<5ed570c2-abb9-4a8a-b0d2-1f50c5694f67@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote: > A handful of grandstanders, and people out to get Lance set this > whole mess off, and the politicians ran with it. Sometimes your star-spangled blinders make you say really silly thing. The big anti-doping hysteria around cycling has nothing to do with Armstrong or some desire to "get Lance". Ever heard of the Festina affair? In France the press and the politicians (first of them then Minister of Sports M-G Buffet) were quick to use that as a soapbox of sorts, and things have not changed much since then. jyh. |
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23-05.-2008, 04:18 AM
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On May 22, 11:33*am, jean-yves hervé <j...@cs.uri.edu> wrote:
> In article > <5ed570c2-abb9-4a8a-b0d2-1f50c5694...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > *Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > *A handful of grandstanders, and people out to get Lance set this > > whole mess off, and the politicians ran with it. > > Sometimes your star-spangled blinders make you say really silly thing. * > The big anti-doping hysteria around cycling has nothing to do with > Armstrong or some desire to "get Lance". *Ever heard of the Festina > affair? *In France the press and the politicians (first of them then > Minister of Sports M-G Buffet) were quick to use that as a soapbox of > sorts, and things have not changed much since then. > > jyh. Ever heard of Walsh? Who was the biggest name being linked with doping? Festina came first, no doubt about it, and Tricky Dick was the name in the middle of that, but do you really think that Virenque would have been enough to keep the inquisition going? No the needed to sacrifice Pantani, and chase after Lance. How many stories from the Euro press would you like me to link you to involving Lance, and doping? The same star spangled blinders that had Sandy and other joking I'm more supportive of France than most French, or the fact that I still consider Germany, specifically Rhineland-Pfalz to be our family's second home, and would love to be able to live between the two? Bill C |
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23-05.-2008, 04:33 AM
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On May 21, 6:39 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 6:34 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > >http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...prosecutor-file... > > > ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A Greek prosecutor on Tuesday filed misdemeanor > > charges against 25 people in a doping scandal involving the country's > > weightlifting team. > > > Eleven of the team's 14 weightlifters tested positive for a banned > > substance during a spot doping check in March, and the results were > > announced in April. The scandal has made it unlikely that the Greek > > team will participate in the Beijing Olympics. > > > <more there> > > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any > > of them. > > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs? > > <snip> > > Dumbass - > > Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting. > > No one cares about weightlifting. > So true. Many sports are dirtier than cycling, for example: http://k53.pbase.com/u10/slug/large/2105624.293.10.jpg Besides, this is getting too serious. Cycling doesn't even come close to this kind of filth: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/20...y1G_468x271.jpg ;-)) -Paul |
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23-05.-2008, 05:04 AM
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On May 22, 2:18*pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 22, 11:33*am, jean-yves hervé <j...@cs.uri.edu> wrote: > > > In article > > <5ed570c2-abb9-4a8a-b0d2-1f50c5694...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, > > *Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > *A handful of grandstanders, and people out to get Lance set this > > > whole mess off, and the politicians ran with it. > > > Sometimes your star-spangled blinders make you say really silly thing. * > > The big anti-doping hysteria around cycling has nothing to do with > > Armstrong or some desire to "get Lance". *Ever heard of the Festina > > affair? *In France the press and the politicians (first of them then > > Minister of Sports M-G Buffet) were quick to use that as a soapbox of > > sorts, and things have not changed much since then. > > > jyh. > I should've added this in. If you follow any of the American doping news then the nems you see headlining things are Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, and Mark McGuire. They were all huge stars, and major news anyway so the doping stuff exploded, after being ignored for years, when some folks wanted to make a name for themselves. Lots of other people have been tagged but they aren't big names, just average players, so they don't get the coverage and digging. McGuire was smart, said nothing, and went underground, so he's basically off the hook. Others have admitted it and apologized with lousy excuses and been forgiven. Bonds and Clemens have some things in common, they are both all timers, world class arrogant, and assholes, and in Bonds case he gets it worse because he's always been a total asshole to the media in particular, so they would go to hell and back to hang him. That profile fits the person, just happened to be Lance, who was dominating the biggest cycling event in the world for most of a decade. That made/makes him the juiciest target. Doesn't matter if he wasAmerican or not, though that is enough for some Euro papers with an anti-US bias to dig harder, and make allegations. Same happens here with some of our politicians and media concerning anything Euro, or French in particular. The fact that you jumped, immediately, to your attack the ignorant American schtick say more about you than me. Especially for anyone who's read what I've written here for years. I also never noticed that my two favorite pro-tour type racers, Zabel, and Udo Bolts are Americans. Bill C |
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