Cycling, the dirtiest sport???

Carl Sundquist

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here
> > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to
> > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any
> > of them.
> > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs?
>
> <snip>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting.
>
> No one cares about weightlifting.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
> ----------------------
>
> You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big
> sport
> in the Balkan and Slavic regions.

Dumbass -

The OP wrote about whether the story will have international legs.

Big Corporate Media will mostly ignore it because the demographic that
drives their ad revenue doesn't reside in the places you mention.

So yes, in that context, no one cares about weightlifting.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
------------------------------

So why does [American] Big Corporate Media (tm) still report doping in
cycling? Actually, it's probably because it's about the only aspect of the
sport that all readers can easily understand on it's most basic level.

However, it's still essentially regionally driven. An international soccer
doping scandal would still be on page three of any mainstream local US
newspaper and the equivalent in the electronic US media, as is doping in
cycling; it's not headline/above the fold material.

Don't automatically equate international with global.

Carl Sundquist

"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
news:MYpZj.1033$JI2.740@newsfe13.lga...
>
> So why does [American] Big Corporate Media (tm) still report doping in
> cycling? Actually, it's probably because it's about the only aspect of the
> sport that all readers can easily understand on it's most basic level.

And as a clarification, ABCM likely _reports_ doping in cycling
(regurgitating a wire story) rather than sending writers (other than Abt,
Sal Ruibal, or Arthur Brice) to actually cover it.

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 22, 7:27*pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b4e257d-cda3-4ade-aad7-a65e4550eb02@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here
> > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to
> > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any
> > > of them.
> > > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs?
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting.
>
> > No one cares about weightlifting.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
> > ----------------------
>
> > You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big
> > sport
> > in the Balkan and Slavic regions.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The OP wrote about whether the story will have international legs.
>
> Big Corporate Media will mostly ignore it because the demographic that
> drives their ad revenue doesn't reside in the places you mention.
>
> So yes, in that context, no one cares about weightlifting.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
> ------------------------------
>
> So why does [American] Big Corporate Media (tm) still report doping in
> cycling? Actually, it's probably because it's about the only aspect of the
> sport that all readers can easily understand on it's most basic level.




Dumbass -


Cycling has LANCE.

He was the #2 most marketable sports personality (behind Tiger Woods)
for a few years.

W/out LANCE, it would be a different story.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Carl Sundquist

"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 22, 7:27 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b4e257d-cda3-4ade-aad7-a65e4550eb02@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > There's a bunch of stuff going on with sports "journalists" here
> > > regionally in the last couple of months that it's just impossible to
> > > have any faith in the credibility, integrity, and objectivity of any
> > > of them.
> > > Anyone wanna bet this story has no real International legs?
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Of course it won't have international legs. It's weightlifting.
>
> > No one cares about weightlifting.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
> > ----------------------
>
> > You mean nobody in _your_ world_ cares about weightlifting. It's a big
> > sport
> > in the Balkan and Slavic regions.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> The OP wrote about whether the story will have international legs.
>
> Big Corporate Media will mostly ignore it because the demographic that
> drives their ad revenue doesn't reside in the places you mention.
>
> So yes, in that context, no one cares about weightlifting.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
> ------------------------------
>
> So why does [American] Big Corporate Media (tm) still report doping in
> cycling? Actually, it's probably because it's about the only aspect of the
> sport that all readers can easily understand on it's most basic level.


Dumbass -


Cycling has LANCE.

He was the #2 most marketable sports personality (behind Tiger Woods)
for a few years.

W/out LANCE, it would be a different story.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.
-------------------------

The people that care about LANCE hooking up with Hollywood twentysomethings
that look like his mom don't give a shit about cycling.

As you said, he _was_ the #2 most marketable sports personality (behind
Tiger Woods) for a few years. Not anymore.

And that is why I stated my point as "So why does [American] Big Corporate
Media (tm) _STILL_report doping in cycling?" From a newsworthy standpoint,
LANCE and cycling have gone separate ways.

jean-yves hervé

In article
<9435a130-37b0-46d9-b1f3-4dcc11c506f6@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote:

> Ever heard of Walsh?

Yes. Did he write any books about doping before the 1998 Tour

> Who was the biggest name being linked with
> doping?

Riis? Pantani?

> Festina came first, no doubt about it, and Tricky Dick was the
> name in the middle of that, but do you really think that Virenque
> would have been enough to keep the inquisition going?

Seriously, you have no idea how big a trauma the Festina affair was in
France and how downright *painful* the whole 1998 Tour was to a lot of
people. A lot of second-rate politicians and journalists jumped on the
bandwagon and made sure to keep the issues in the news.

> No the needed to
> sacrifice Pantani, and chase after Lance. How many stories from the
> Euro press would you like me to link you to involving Lance, and
> doping?

You got it backwards. Doping was a huge story over there and then
Armstrong showed up (and behaved like an asshole), and because he was
the most successful rider of the time and because many people strongly
suspected him to be on the juice, then of course a lot of the
doping-related stories were built around him, but it is completely wrong
to say that the whole thing started as a witch hunt targeted at Lance.

> The same star spangled blinders that had Sandy and other joking I'm
> more supportive of France than most French,

What Sandy considers being "supportive of France" is probably not
something that I would want to be associated with.

> or the fact that I still
> consider Germany, specifically Rhineland-Pfalz to be our family's
> second home, and would love to be able to live between the two?

I bet some of your best friends are furriners too. :-)
(relax, I am just kidding)

Like it or not, you come across as one of the folks who (1) circle the
wagons the minute Lance and doping are mentioned in the same sentence,
and (2) talk a lot about "them" going after Lance. There is nothing
wrong with that as long as you are conscious of your own bias, which you
don't seem to be. It's great that you love your country and are proud
of it, but not every issue is an "us against them" story.

jyh.

Donald Munro

jean-yves hervé wrote:
> What Sandy considers being "supportive of France" is probably not
> something that I would want to be associated with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWetKAbgm_o

Bill C

On May 23, 1:58*am, jean-yves hervé <j...@cs.uri.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <9435a130-37b0-46d9-b1f3-4dcc11c50...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> *Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Ever heard of Walsh?
>
> Yes. *Did he write any books about doping before the 1998 Tour
>
> > Who was the biggest name being linked with
> > doping?
>
> Riis? *Pantani?
>
> > Festina came first, no doubt about it, and Tricky Dick was the
> > name in the middle of that, but do you really think that Virenque
> > would have been enough to keep the inquisition going?
>
> Seriously, you have no idea how big a trauma the Festina affair was in
> France and how downright *painful* the whole 1998 Tour was to a lot of
> people. * A lot of second-rate politicians and journalists jumped on the
> bandwagon and made sure to keep the issues in the news.
>
I was right across the border in Kaiserslautern then with my kids
racing for RSC Kaiserslautern and their coach working for Telekom and
it was talked about and in the local paper and Radsport news of
course, but wasn't the later circus. I guess I missed what you saw. We
were busy discussing Riis, Jan, whether they could get along, Jan's
head, etc...more than the doping stuff. Maybe we were too busy racing
to pay a lot of attention, but it was never a big conversation that I
heard at races either. We were busy herding/getting a bunch of kids
from the club ready, or wrapping up after, most of the time so that
could explain some of it.

> > No the needed to
> > sacrifice Pantani, and chase after Lance. How many stories from the
> > Euro press would you like me to link you to involving Lance, and
> > doping?
>
> You got it backwards. *Doping was a huge story over there and then
> Armstrong showed up (and behaved like an asshole), and because he was
> the most successful rider of the time and because many people strongly
> suspected him to be on the juice, then of course a lot of the
> doping-related stories were built around him, but it is completely wrong
> to say that the whole thing started as a witch hunt targeted at Lance.
>

Never said that. We could go back to Tom Simpson. It really wasn't
worldwide news until they went after the "cancer survivor" that moved
it into lots of the mainstream press, along with the stuff that got
into the mainstream Brit press, and L'Equipe kept pounding it. I
could've missed a lot of earlier stuff that didn't make it to the
Brit, or local German press. I didn't have a tv but i don't remember
seeing it regularly on either Sky news, or sport much either which was
always at the gym and other places.

> > *The same star spangled blinders that had Sandy and other joking I'm
> > more supportive of France than most French,
>
> What Sandy considers being "supportive of France" is probably not
> something that I would want to be associated with.
>
> > or the fact that I still
> > consider Germany, specifically Rhineland-Pfalz to be our family's
> > second home, and would love to be able to live between the two?
>
> I bet some of your best friends are furriners too. :-)
> (relax, I am just kidding)
>
> Like it or not, you come across as one of the folks who (1) circle the
> wagons the minute Lance and doping are mentioned in the same sentence,
> and (2) talk a lot about "them" going after Lance. *There is nothing
> wrong with that as long as you are conscious of your own bias, which you
> don't seem to be. *It's great that you love your country and are proud
> of it, but not every issue is an "us against them" story.
>
> jyh.

Since the charge was led by Walsh, who is Irish and living in
England, and going after Lance had nothing to do with his nationality
I still have no idea where you get that I'm (1) defending Lance, and
(2) Think it had anything to do with his nationality. 'Us against
them", in this case, and most others involving "personalities" is the
Media against them. The goal is dig up stories, the dirtier the
better. That's what sells. Princess Di was an "Us against them" and
they got a great story out of it in the end didn't they?
One drunk driver, and a bunch of reckless Media sold a shitload of
papers, and other media. It's still making them money today, and will
forever.
Bill C

Bill C

On May 23, 12:08*am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> And that is why I stated my point as "So why does [American] Big Corporate
> Media (tm) _STILL_report doping in cycling?" From a newsworthy standpoint,
> LANCE and cycling have gone separate ways.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Because the crusade came to other sports here in the US now, and
cycling is what really brought it to their attention first, so they
keep at it. Without Flandis, and Lance on the mainstream scene it's
not huge news, but even the Flandis stuff really went away after he
lost the hearing here. The CAS challenge was pretty much ignored. I
regularly read Foxsport, CNN/Si, and ESPN news and cycling is off
their map totally except for a tiny blurb occasionally now.
Bill C

Bill C

On May 23, 8:58*am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 23, 12:08*am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > And that is why I stated my point as "So why does [American] Big Corporate
> > Media (tm) _STILL_report doping in cycling?" From a newsworthy standpoint,
> > LANCE and cycling have gone separate ways.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

Here's another story which I think is pretty typical for reporting on
non big four sports here:

http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/s...dmits-to-doping

Same as the weightlifting story it was pretty well buried despite it
being part of on-going criminal proceedings. Where's Sen. Comcast,
oooppppss, I mean Specter on this sports scandal, or for that matter
the NBA gamefixing/gambling mess. He's the poster boy for everything
wrong with the sports crusaders.
Bill C
Bill C

Bill C

On May 23, 4:03*am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> jean-yves hervé wrote:
> > What Sandy considers being "supportive of France" is probably not
> > something that I would want to be associated with.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWetKAbgm_o

You are evil! I ended up watching a bunch of the "greatest" . Some
funny stuff.
Bill C

SLAVE of THE STATE

On May 22, 12:04*pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:

> *I also never noticed that my two favorite pro-tour type racers,
> Zabel, and Udo Bolts are Americans.

Well sure they are. Just give Obama time. One World. One
Government.

A wise leader telling the world how much meat to eat and how hot their
room should be. And the price of arugula! Whoa! Save us wise man!

Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.

ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donald Munro

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> A wise leader telling the world how much meat to eat and how hot their
> room should be. And the price of arugula! Whoa! Save us wise man!

Consider yourself lucky no one is telling you how hot your podium girls
should be served.

Bret

On May 23, 11:13*am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On May 22, 12:04*pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > *I also never noticed that my two favorite pro-tour type racers,
> > Zabel, and Udo Bolts are Americans.
>
> Well sure they are. *Just give Obama time. *One World. *One
> Government.
>
> A wise leader telling the world how much meat to eat and how hot their
> room should be. *And the price of arugula! *Whoa! *Save us wise man!
>
> Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have I got an organization for you:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2203905_pf.html

SLAVE of THE STATE

On May 23, 1:10*pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 11:13*am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 22, 12:04*pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > *I also never noticed that my two favorite pro-tour type racers,
> > > Zabel, and Udo Bolts are Americans.
>
> > Well sure they are. *Just give Obama time. *One World. *One
> > Government.
>
> > A wise leader telling the world how much meat to eat and how hot their
> > room should be. *And the price of arugula! *Whoa! *Save us wise man!
>
> > Get ready, the sacrifices will be your's, not his.
>
> > ASSBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Have I got an organization for you:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...008/05/22/AR200...

I'll bet you're still feeling very altruistic and charitable in giving
away other people's money and controlling their lives. lol

You don't need to listen to anyone but nObama nOprahma himself:

"We can't drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and
keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we're
living in the desert or we're living in the tundra and then just
expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go
ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world's energy, even though you
only account for 3 percent of the population, and we'll be fine. Don't
worry about us." --Obama

The temperature of my room, and how much I eat, how much gas my car
burns, are affairs of the world and are to be regulated by Obama.

One People -- People are one. One Government. One World. One
Ruler. One Borg.

It is the leftist collectivist mysticism. Nothing else matters.
Assimilate or die.

"Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist,
fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic
criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want
people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." -- Robert
A Heinlein
http://freedomkeys.com/isms.htm